Items/money/levels wipe.

[Platyna]

I would like to raise a discussion concerning the long running eathena bugs that were recently fixed.
Most of you, directly or indirectly were abusing these bugs eg. buying items from people who abused these bugs to get money for arrows or by accepting free stuff comming from them. Economy doesn't exists at all, and we are unable to figure all aspects of these abuses.

I would ask about the following:
- Would it make any difference when old quests will be re-implemented, so you could get in a honest way rare items (like in these times you could abuse a bug and do one quest all over again)?
- What are your suggestions for a reward for players for the wipe (powerful items are out of question)?

All posts like "omfg don't do it plz!" will be deleted and authors will be warned.

Regards,

[Len]

It seems like a good way to drive away players and developers
But if you feel you need to do it, go for it

[Platyna]

It seems like a good way to drive away players and developers :lol:

You know, if Strump wrote this I wouldn't be suprised, but you? We have a quite serious issue here, so I would expect, especialy from those with "TMW developer" under their name some meritorical discussion and arguments.

Regards.

[Len]

I’m more worried about attracting new developers, than a broken server thats going to be replaced anyways.

The combat in the game is based around a bug (this game is and always has been broken)

It seems like a good way to drive away players and developers

And this is a legitimate concern, Although I could have worded it better

[Platyna]

And since when our developers are collecting items in game? And if the server is broken, the game is boring, I think it would rather draw players from it. And about eathena bugs we got a person who is fixing them, and he is doing pretty well.

Regards.

[Len]

I would ask about the following:
- Would it make any difference when old quests will be re-implemented, so you could get in a honest way rare items (like in these times you could abuse a bug and do one quest all over again)?
- What are your suggestions for a reward for players for the wipe (powerful items are out of question)?

Seeing as almost all quests can be abused, I suggest a month where rare items drop from monsters at a drop rate of say .05 (this benefits those who actually spend the time playing the game rather than abusing a bug)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92K13c7P ... re=related

[Platyna]

I can do adjustments of economy and bug fixing, but now it is quite a waste of time, since there are already ALOT of rare items in game.

Regards.

[Len]

I was talking about after the wipe

[And1]

Hey... =)


Money and item wipe for sure sounds hard... well, actually it is... think we can't say it is good or bad, fair or unfair... I think it's both.

I also think we can't say it will drive people away from playing or bring new people to the game... we just don't know... and there will be arguments for players to leave, but there will also be arguments for new players to join.

Maybe it's possible to realize that every player may keep one item and one weapon (just an example)...


But... why would you suggest a level wipe, Platyna?

I think it would be better if the levels won't be touched... a few people of HMC (and for sure alsy others) have trained very much so that they can help the newbies with for e.g. giving them Fancy Hats or Leather Shirt, Boots, Miners Gloves or Daggers...

I also think it's not easy to cross the desert without an escort in the very beginning... and the Fluffies and Pinkies are really good for training up to level 40...

I think it will also be hard to do new events if everyone will be level 1 again... but that's just my opinion, hope you post your feedback.


Andi =)

[Len]

Hey... =)


Money and item wipe for sure sounds hard... well, actually it is... think we can't say it is good or bad, fair or unfair... I think it's both.

I also think we can't say it will drive people away from playing or bring new people to the game... we just don't know... and there will be arguments for players to leave, but there will also be arguments for new players to join.

Maybe it's possible to realize that every player may keep one item and one weapon (just an example)...


But... why would you suggest a level wipe, Platyna?

I think it would be better if the levels won't be touched... a few people of HMC (and for sure alsy others) have trained very much so that they can help the newbies with for e.g. giving them Fancy Hats or Leather Shirt, Boots, Miners Gloves or Daggers...

I also think it's not easy to cross the desert without an escort in the very beginning... and the Fluffies and Pinkies are really good for training up to level 40...

I think it will also be hard to do new events if everyone will be level 1 again... but that's just my opinion, hope you post your feedback.


Andi =)

I agree... but we are still going to need a way to reintroduce the items back into the game, and my idea works perfectly.(IMHO)

[And1]

Hey,

well, it's a nice idea, yes, but I think there may be very much drop-steal trouble... =(

What about re-adding the old quests? Think it may be a good idea... have to say I don't know the old quests... so maybe you'll say it isn't a very good idea, because of whatever...

Andi =)

[Platyna]

I do agree with your idea Len, rare items should be rare.
And about levels, they would be wiped out too, but we could introduce quests that gives exp points as a reward.
About leaving one item - I am against, but I am thinking about an item that only players that was there during the wipe would get (one per account), and no one after the wipe will ever get it.

Regards.

[Shaili (a.k.a. tds)]

Wiping all the inventories will only add angry players. Such an action can make impopoular the developers, and even if TMW should be 'resetted' anyway with the new server, I'm sure that many people who find out their accounts wiped will give up playing.

Anyway, IMHO this bug shouldn't be considered at all: the economy of TMW seems however stable.

[Len]

I do agree with your idea Len, rare items should be rare.
And about levels, they would be wiped out too, but we could introduce quests that gives exp points as a reward.
About leaving one item - I am against, but I am thinking about an item that only players that was there during the wipe would get (one per account), and no one after the wipe will ever get it.

Regards.

too bad some of us have 20 accounts..
If we make them rare drops its a lot harder to abuse

Wiping all the inventories will only add angry players. Such an action can make impopoular the developers, and even if TMW should be 'resetted' anyway with the new server, I'm sure that many people who find out their accounts wiped will give up playing.

Anyway, IMHO this bug shouldn't be considered at all: the economy of TMW seems however stable.

This was already talked about no need to keep bringing it back up

[And1]

Hey,

Len do you remember what people did just to pick up such an iron ore... they even exploitet bugs... =(

There are so many drop stealers at the game... think there will be much troubles... don't you think?

But instead of this I really like the idea...

Andi =)