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Why not? Because just deleting everything won't magically make faucets and a drain appear.

And if we make like this: All players level 40+ would be able to save their set (like armor, legs, helmet, bow) but no rare items could be saved.

Why do you want to delete rares?

The problem we are currently facing is an inflantion. The value of old rares is the only thing which is NOT affected by this because their market prize regulates itself to the inflantion.

(Not speaking of their uncalculateable emotional value)

Well, Crush you are not reading what I am writing, I never wrote a wipe is a magic wand to heal the economy, but it alot better to remove stuff gained from years of abusing of server bugs (eg. short sword quest).

Regards.

Shouldn't Crush's solution at least be given to opportunity to be included in this vote? I will except whatever decision is acted upon and continue to play and enjoy the game and the people here.

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It is not a thread about Crush's solution but about wipe, so don't drag this to a different topic. So, you will either give concrete arguments for and against the wipe or I will closing this thread, because it is kinda pointless then, I don't want a Bombay market here or a flamewar.

Regards.

Let's leave everything as is.
And concentrate on well balanced economy model for new server. For Gods sake, it's only early alpha! or did I miss something? Do we really plan to port whole assets and cash to new server?

If you are looking for good economy model, I personally recommend EVE Online.

One mistake in that new server economy design and we will need another item wipe, either partial or whole, you may be a good artirst but it seems you never designed any economy system at all. ;P

Regards.

I would say wipe the money (to 50k), was healthy before and clean, if player are short of money, the rare items will loose price and merchants will have to bargain, player will have to play for money, in general the whole economy system now is based in wealth lower than 200k which is easy to achieve in a few days.

Platyna wrote:I never wrote a wipe is a magic wand to heal the economy

You didn't? Strange, because "rescues the economy" was your main argument until now. You even wrote it in the poll.

but it alot better to remove stuff gained from years of abusing of server bugs (eg. short sword quest).

...and also remove everything else as a "colateral damage" which has been gained in a legitimate way, including mementos of past events with irreplaceable emotional value and countless hours worth of character levels?

Yes, errors were made in the past which introduced abusable bugs. Wiping everything because of bugs which lie years(!) in the past is the easy way. But the easy way is not always the right way. We should at least try to cope with the problems in a non-intrusive way without destroying everything.

It is not a thread about Crush's solution but about wipe, so don't drag this to a different topic. So, you will either give concrete arguments for and against the wipe or I will closing this thread

I think "Don't do it because X is a better solution" is a quite good argument.

So let it be!
ZERO item and ZERO money wipe + unlocking quests.
Also STATS point assignments should be RESET to make it equall for everyone.

Yah I know, it's insane... But remember that I had Leather gloves... or rather HAD (after wipe).

Crush, you are being stubborn, I said that wipe is a good start to developing a real economy, not that I want to do just wipe and forget about the whole thing, and cut the stuff about "easy way".

Regards.

Then I would suggest that we first conceptualize, develope and test an economy system and then discuss if it is necessary to do a complete wipe to bring it into the game.

Crush wrote:Then I would suggest that we first conceptualize, develope and test an economy system and then discuss if it is necessary to do a complete wipe to bring it into the game.

Yet another pointless and endless discussions? Hell no. We will conceptualize, if we do after the wipe, isn't it pre-alpha? Now there is time for "conceptualizing" and to experiment. What I have already conceptualized is the reason of this thread, I have analyzed userfile and my impression is that it cannot be healed your way. What do you think? That I like to be an evil one and hated by everyone wipe nemesis? I am a content developer still and I think it is necessary, and I posted this thread to make sure I have took under my recognition all arguments, and untill then only fate and a two other persons posted a worthy content.

Regards.