New player questions

[mindflash]

Thanks guys, you all have been very helpful.

I would like to add another question.

If I store all my items at the bank, will the quest givers that require items be able to retrieve needed items from the bank or do I need to carry them?

[Nard]

You must carry the items.(or not carry them in special cases)

[o11c]

1. World Map: I am working on building them again to include all actual maps. I'll put then in Wiki when I can show a clean work

Useful link: http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... 13&t=14466

[mindflash]

What is the proper way to use the Personal Shop?

I tried to buy things from other players, but the transaction wouldn't be completed, it opened the trade window with the item I wanted but even after accepting it didn't complete.

And I am not sure that people can buy from me after I set up items in the Personal Shop window.

[4144]

What is the proper way to use the Personal Shop?

I tried to buy things from other players, but the transaction wouldn't be completed, it opened the trade window with the item I wanted but even after accepting it didn't complete.

Add items to show and wait until some one want buy items. After client will ask do you want sell this item.
If you select yes, it will start normal trade and automatically add item and money.
But for trade need closer distance between two players. May be because long distance you cant buy items.
In trade both players must accept transaction and confirm it, if not trade will be canceled.
Also trades must be enabled in both partners.

And I am not sure that people can buy from me after I set up items in the Personal Shop window.

If you see $ near your name shop working.

[Frost]

I tried to buy things from other players, but the transaction wouldn't be completed, it opened the trade window with the item I wanted but even after accepting it didn't complete.

Even with the manaplus shop feature, the player must manually confirm the trade.
Sometimes people set up their shop and leave it logged on while they go do other things.

[Nard]

What is the proper way to use the Personal Shop?
I tried to buy things from other players....

You also must have trading with other players enabled. The key "R" toggles this state on/off. watch the result in debug tab.
We (I) often press this key unwillingly

Nard

[mindflash]

Hey, thanks guys.

I changed my build to archer for the moment, as the higher DEX makes me able to hit monsters I couldn't before and it's working fine.

I was wondering how much DEX should I aim for, while levelling. If I noticed correctly, the maximum stat points you can spend is 99. Should I take 99 DEX? With +3 from Forest Armor, my DEX would be 102. Does it make any sense or should I take only 97+3 to make it an even 100 and start taking AGI earlier? I put all my points in DEX and at level 51 I still miss some times while hitting black scorpions, spiders and others. That I believe is the reason some people recommend to put everything in DEX while at lower levels, so you can hit more.

Any final build recommendations for a speed archer? I will probably try to change back to something like a hybrid/speed warrior as I intended before, but I would like to understand what is the maximum level and stat points I have to work with. The Wiki says the game stats is based off Ragnarok Online, a game I used to play. Max level was 99, and max base stats too, is it the same case here?

[o11c]

I was wondering how much DEX should I aim for, while levelling. If I noticed correctly, the maximum stat points you can spend is 99. Should I take 99 DEX? With +3 from Forest Armor, my DEX would be 102. Does it make any sense or should I take only 97+3 to make it an even 100 and start taking AGI earlier?

There is no significant difference between 100 DEX and 102, but those two points are very expensive. So aim for exactly 100. (It's probably not worth restat'ing if you did it wrong, though)

As soon as you can get one of the other DEX bonus items, you should switch to it and raise your native DEX to 99; the Forest Armor is very weak.

I put all my points in DEX and at level 51 I still miss some times while hitting black scorpions, spiders and others. That I believe is the reason some people recommend to put everything in DEX while at lower levels, so you can hit more.

Actually, the main reason is because ranged damage scales quadratically with DEX/10. The to-hit thing is just a happy bonus.

[mindflash]

Thanks o11c. The other DEX items I have checked out are the DEX ring and the Terranite Chest Armor, so if I ever get them should I pick 98 base DEX (+2 total bonus)? If I still used the Forest Armor I could get 96 base DEX (+4 total bonus), ain't it worth it? You mean that the defense rating is so weak that it is worth to spend valuable points to get DEX that high?

[o11c]

Thanks o11c. The other DEX items I have checked out are the DEX ring and the Terranite Chest Armor, so if I ever get them should I pick 98 base DEX (+2 total bonus)? If I still used the Forest Armor I could get 96 base DEX (+4 total bonus), ain't it worth it? You mean that the defense rating is so weak that it is worth to spend valuable points to get DEX that high?

I've never used the ring and terranite chest armor at the same time. If I have the ring, I'll prefer to wear the warlord plate.

Yes, the damage reduction from armor is crazy high, and is the single largest source of imbalance in the current game. But until that's fixed ...

A discussion about which path to take first:

I got the Warlord Plate before it got expensive, but I got the Terranite set (Chest Armor is the 3rd piece!) before getting the ring. It probably would've been smarter at that time to get the ring first.

Ring and Terranite set are about the same in terms of gold cost (1,000,000 vs 1,100,000), and require the completion of the simple ring quest. The Terranite set has higher other costs, in terms of coal and Terranite ore; the coal is IMHO more significant because you'll collect lots of ore while level-grinding. In the process of grinding that, you'll get about 3 of each rare gem.

The terranite set is more useful overall, particularly the pants. The helmet is kind-of obsoleted by the really-easy-to-get candle helmet. (Hm, we should nerf it).

Of course, in the long run you'll want to get both (on your main char at least - on alts just get the ring).

If you go the ring route, though, you'll need to get a full suit of armor, which is expensive in terms of iron and coal. Again, you'll want to do this eventually, but not necessarily immediately.

Of course, the other issue is that you have to be level 80 to get the Terranite set.

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Of course, remember the first rule of being an archer: don't get hit.

[mindflash]

So, basically, we should go for defense instead of caring much about the stats bonus from the equips, right? That said, the Warlord chest piece is probably better than Terranite, unless I want to lower my DEX to 98 to spend the points elsewhere. In that case, it will be hard to prove which is best, more defense or more of the stat we picked. If VIT can be more useful than more defense, that could be a point, but I don't know the damage formula to mess with that.

In other games, I would probably pick the items that have the stats bonuses I care for, even if it will have lower defense, because as an archer I wouldn't be great at that. But I can see how it is different here, we don't have classes, every character can profit the same way from stats.

I enjoy very much the idea of making a build to my taste, but I could not find a build calculator to try things out, guess I am going to have to reset a lot.

By the way, is there a level cap?

[tux9th]

level cap is 99
you can try builds at the test server where you can choose level and stuff on your behalf. you can also create items there.

http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Testing_Server

"Our server is located at caliban.homeip.net port 6901. "

greets

[mindflash]

That is very nice, thanks.

Does anybody know why some people pick 66 Luck, no more and no less?

[o11c]

That is very nice, thanks.

Does anybody know why some people pick 66 Luck, no more and no less?

It's widely believed to be the amount of luck needed to prevent critical hits from the monster that has the highest chance of giving crits.
I'm not sure how accurate or up-to-date it is. The formula to calculated crit chances is pretty complicated.

Having a high LUK is essential as a warrior.

As a high-level archer, I usually put 10 points into LUK, because they're cheap compared to already-high AGI or VIT, and also so that my clover doesn't go to waste. (as with most stats, LUK is most effective in multiples of 5)
The basic principle is: you have a high enough VIT to survive a single crit and heal fast enough.

Putting a few points in LUK just decreases your chance of getting two crits in a row. Putting more than a few (but less than 66) points in LUK may make you immune to crits from certain monsters.

As a low-level archer, you're screwed if you get crit'ed once anyway, and you can't get LUK high enough to make a difference.

For resisting poison, VIT has a higher impact than LUK until the cost reaches 3:1 (I think that's around VIT 50). Again, the rule is: you can survive getting poisoned (poison never takes takes your HP below a certain minimum), just don't get hit while you have low health.