Items disappeared from inventory!!!

[o11c]

Sorry, I didn't mean "you" in specific, but "you" as in players in general.

Is it fair if an admin give only those 4 people a warp towel? How do they know if there is anyone else?

I don't speak for them, but I'm reminding you of the kind of decisions they have to make.

The fix is: https://gitorious.org/+tmw-admins/tmw/t ... a2d9564e1a

(I didn't actually make the patch that got pushed, I got ninja'ed)

Also, note: this only affects the orange towel.

[nelson6e65]

A fix for Orange Hitchhiker's Towel disappearing has been pushed to the testing repository and will be included in the next server update.

Thanks, but...

As for replacing lost towels ... to my knowledge, there is no way to verify whether you actually lost your towel, or if you're lying and just want a free orange warp towel.

You are right, but was a "bug" so, if you can't "verify" you need trust in people who experimented this "problem" and reported before was "solved". Remember, was a "bug" of script, not from my friends, like says Nard. And they have the "Orange" to prove it xD

[Jael RD]

A fix for Orange Hitchhiker's Towel disappearing has been pushed to the testing repository and will be included in the next server update.

Thanks, but...

As for replacing lost towels ... to my knowledge, there is no way to verify whether you actually lost your towel, or if you're lying and just want a free orange warp towel.

You are right, but was a "bug" so, if you can't "verify" you need trust in people who experimented this "problem" and reported before was "solved". Remember, was a "bug" of script, not from my friends, like says Nard. And they have the "Orange" to prove it xD

o11c, Trusted players can verified i got that towel cuz i got some from them, and i can demonstrate you in the game that i got that towel before i lose it for the bug just contact me and i will show you.

[ferskelletor]

I hope I can get my towel back, I don't want to have a simple orange instead my towel -.-








Ferskelletor

[Jenalya]

There was a server restart to bring in the fix about the towel turning into an orange.

[Crush]

When those first 4 people who are currently known would receive a free towel, how many people would appear who claim that they were also victims of this bug? I don't want to imply that all of them would be liars. It is very likely that there are indeed several other victims. But there is no way to tell who is lying and who is telling the truth. Why should those 4 people be compensated just because they had the luck to be mentioned here, while several others are not?


I think that the only one who should definitely get his towel replaced is Nard, because he was the one who made a proper bug report with the exact conditions which lead to the problem (the reports by Jael RD and nelson6e65 were very misleading). Without that bug report it would not have been possible to find and fix it.

Seriously, good bug reports should be held in high regard, because a good bug report can save hours of development time.

[Big Crunch]

Crush i would say that the methodology for reporting a bug is not at all obvious. Considering that, the forums are the next logical place to report. I would recommend adding a link on the main page that simply says Report Bug.

[var]

I think that the only one who should definitely get his towel replaced is Nard, because he was the one who made a proper bug report with the exact conditions which lead to the problem (the reports by Jael RD and nelson6e65 were very misleading). Without that bug report it would not have been possible to find and fix it.

Seriously, good bug reports should be held in high regard, because a good bug report can save hours of development time.

No, unless you want to gift everybody that will find and found a serious bug, it's the most unfair statement that i read so far, he just tested something that somebody else posted, the dev team could do it too. Quoting the other posts, How could you exactly say that he didnt test it in his personal server and he still owns a towel?


Now this has been a fault of the developement team so the developement team must take the responsability of it, do not punish the players for your fault.

You could fix this if you want.

If there's a recent backup before the bug was introduced, take it and count the total number of towels owned by the players in the database, dyed and non dyed, it would be N, then count the total number of towel that are actually in game N-Nlost, the difference N - (N - Nlost) could be (if nobody delete the char or throw the towel in the floor after the backup, which is hard to believe) the total number of people that lost the towel due to that bug so give just to that players the towel back. It should be 4 or whatever, you can even know who owned or didnt own a towel as well. Stop with this we cannot tell who owned the towel, if you want you can know. Period.

Up to the dev team and the admin now.

[Nard]

Crush i would say that the methodology for reporting a bug is not at all obvious. Considering that, the forums are the next logical place to report. I would recommend adding a link on the main page that simply says Report Bug.

A permanent link on the main page is a good idea. I see it like "GM Community Suggestions" with a reminder about the correct way to report a bug and a link to Mantis too. I suggest a wiki page on bug reporting too. This page should include directions for Mantis use, and informations on the classification you developers are using, because I didn't find it that obvious.
I think both Mantis ( intended for developers ) and Forum (intended for developers AND users) are good. I used IRC, because I was advised to do so by some ( wise) developers and because I felt it was an emergency because it could tarnish the developer team image and complicate GM's task a lot . It seems that some others confuse #tmw-cafe and #tmw-dev and joke on the second :/

Thank you for your trust, Crush. I think the report by Jael RD and nelson6e65 was misleading because they had several actions in short time interval, which was not my case. surely, they saw the problem some time after the action, an misinterpreted the initial condition. When I saw the towel disappeared, I thought first that it went undyed and I was going to dye it again. Fortunately for me and all of us I had no oranges in inventory and was warned by Nami that someone had his towel disappear, thus I could describe the problem precisely.
I am not claiming for anything as I know this game is open source and relies on goodwill, and nobody is perfect. The decision of replacing or not is up to Administrators. If I am offered one I will not refuse, but I think Jael RD, AlukarD, and nelson6e65 haven't less merit than I have.

The last bugs what happened enlighten the necessity of the creation of a non developers testers team. Every new or modified script should be tested by someone different than it's author.

Cordially.
Nard

[Crush]

No, unless you want to gift everybody that will find and found a serious bug.

That's a good idea, in my opinion. We should encourage high quality bug reports. Why not reward reporters with otherwise unobtainable ingame items?

[var]

No, unless you want to gift everybody that will find and found a serious bug.

That's a good idea, in my opinion. We should encourage high quality bug reports. Why not reward reporters with otherwise unobtainable ingame items?

because of this

i found another issue in rauk,
you need 2 pink flowers to make a concentration potion, if you sell them you get 100 gp, if you make a concentration potion you can sell it for 250

file: world/map/db/item_db.txt

#ID, Name, Label, Type, Price, Sell,
565, PinkPetal, Pink Petal, 0, 100, 50,
568, ConcentrationPotion, Concentration Potion, 0, 500, 250,

https://gitorious.org/tmw/tmwa-server-d ... txt#line70
https://gitorious.org/tmw/tmwa-server-d ... txt#line73


file: world/map/npc/011-1/alchemist.txt

set @COST_PER_CONCENTRATION_POTION, 2;

mes "\" To make them, I'm going to need " + @COST_PER_CONCENTRATION_POTION + " Pink Petals per Concentration Potion. How many Concentration Potions would you like?\"";

https://gitorious.org/tmw/tmwa-server-d ... xt#line310

can i have my gift now?

so the players will just hunt for bugs to get free items instead of playing the game..... that's why i said that. of course you can gift items, but do you really want that players will find something only to get a gift?

[Crush]

so the players will just hunt for bugs to get free items instead of playing the game.....

You mean like they are supposed to?

Remember, TMW is officially still in beta. Finding bugs is the purpose of a beta test.

Also thanks for the report, I am sure the content developers will find this balance problem really interesting.


You seem to have the misconception that developers are happy with people shutting up and playing the game. This isn't true. The developers want to create a good game. And high quality bug reports are a great help while doing this.

[o11c]

Re: Pink Petals
Of course a manufactured product can be worth more than its components. Now, if there were a shop that sold PInk Petals, there would be an exploit (like what happened with Small Mushrooms - which were exploited quite a bit before being reported - maybe if there had been a reward for fixing bugs, it would have been effective?).

Also - in practice, mantis is really not an effective way to keep track of things; I never look at it unless someone gives me a link. The forums are something I actually look at - but, it definitely makes a difference what kind of quality there is ("help! my itens has disappeared while I was afk" is not credible, "my warp towel got replaced by an orange" is useful).

[Crush]

Also - in practice, mantis is really not an effective way to keep track of things; I never look at it unless someone gives me a link. The forums are something I actually look at

So you don't look at mantis because it is useless, and it is useless because you don't look at it?

Seems like circular reasoning to me.


When I was still involved in the development, I found mantis to be a lot better bugtracking tool than the forum, because forum topics immediately fall out of sight when people stop posting in it. Mantis tickets, however, stay in sight until they are resolved. Also, the signal to noise ratio is a lot lower on Mantis, because the ticket discussions are much less likely to drift into debates on principles (like it's happening here right now).

[DefinitelyNOTMrWho]

Hey guys, I think I was the victim of the Towel bug aswell. I had 23 towels and now I have 23 oranges, you can verify this anytime, I can post a pic of my 23 oranges. I worked hard on getting this high number of towels and now all my hard work is in vain.
I would like my towels back.
Thank you.