My god :P

[kinwa]

And in most cases there should be no need for anyone else to be involved, this isn't a fricken soap opera - grow a pair and leave the involved parties alone.

thats wrong: it IS a soap opera.

[Rotonen]

You act like a bunch of 12 year olds

I've always just assumed that's about the average age of our players, left them alone and moved along.

[Dyna]

Katze...I am on everyday during those times and there is sometimes one GM online...the one who abuses their 'powers' and will NOT answer GM calls. They sit invisible, so the players cannot reach them of on a part of the map hardly anyone ever visits. Why have a GM who doesn't do the job?

Never have I said you need to be here 24/7...but I dont think 4 (well techincally 3 since Vink has been so busy) cuts it anymore for this game. It has gotten so much bigger and is experiencing growing pains...and older players are leaving because of it. Have heard many of the good ones tell me they are leaving because of the trolls and the bots and the general 'dont care' attitude these days. We are loosing the good community the game used to have and adopting one that is, as Qoal stated, 'poisoned'.

You may have GMs from the Americas but they are leaving huge blocks of time where no GM is on. I am not the only one who sees this, ask the other players who need a GM but there isn't one around. Yes they have lives...and yes this is a hobby...but you do put some effort into a hobby you enjoy.

Sorry for the sarcasm Kat...I am just so frustrated these days...

Dy

[Goku]

I don't think anyone is tryint to interfere here.. Lots of players are just worried because they don't want to see this game die like many have. Sure they're still up, but go see what it's like playing them. No moderation, scamming/hacking/abusing bugs 24/7. I can think of a handful that have started off strong like TMW to only end up in the MMORPG graveyard.

[Jumpy]

is this post about gm abusing their powers and not being there or about the game and the way it can evolve regarding the moderation side in accordance to tmw issues ?
in first case forget about my post it is not the point i want to discuss as i consider GM do their best with what they have
in the second case please separate things and lets go for some solutions.

So ! Well well well,... my little point of view...

first of all : rules

rules are defined ? no ? and people can read them arriving on serv ? no?

do you think as a solution a web page should open when someone comes in with a language selection so that each points of rules has to be check on the page before starting playing ?

second point : GM

- GM have real life and this no payed profession but benevole participation and should i think stay this way (isn't it open source community ? anyway...) not the point...

- Selection : i personaly think that

1. Proposal of name for persons eligible to GM position could be made by the admins and persons responsible for the project GM, dev, art pixel
2. only the recomandation of admins and persons responsible for the project GM, dev, art pixel going around in tmw should be taken in account to say who yes and to say no can reach that position of GM
3. GM's population should be representative of the tmw composition of players (age, geographical location and so on)

- Preparation, training : is there any given to the person that becomes GM ? do they learn and train on a serv in order to be in situations and react the way they should ?

- Follow up : it is the responsability of admins and - or a comity representative of the population of GM dev and art pix dev to make follow up and controls on the GM's attitude towards people, comunity and respect of rules and behaviors

- more script to use for GM and one for people that doesn't know the forum exists
example could be a @GM to let a message to a GM like the memo on irc... any GM could see historic and messages...

third point : game

never forget it is a game worldwide
played from 7 to 77 years old

how do you consider it ?
like an irc or like a game ?

...

Oh and i don't see that much difference between 3 months ago and now except eastern holidays more childrens
not more begin abuse or whatever
new technics... i was hacked and so on...
they are clever
Regards

and Peace and Love sit all around the table and talk

[Dyna]

Forget it. Nothing will change...I am wasting my time here on the forums.

*sighs*

Why have testers test your game if you dont listen to what they have to say?

This little guy says it all...

[Wombat]

Synopsis: More maps and social centers good, trolls always a problem, but less a problem when we move around the world or gather at different spots.

Seems a lot of the problems are "in town" problems where people gather at the social center to talk and make trades. I don't experience "trolling" when I'm roaming. I used to get followed by trolls into areas before drop steal protection was put in place, but most times it seems if people are moving around the maps, these problems become very invisible. The town center wasn't fully cohered when people switched from Tulimshar to Hurnscald as the social center of the game until a few months ago. After the North of Hurnscald mine opened up, people got used to making Hurnscald the center. Slowly the trolling returned, instead of never being a problem, which it always was.

When Tulimshar was the social center, we had the same problems with "trolls" as we do now. I think when the devs open up new maps there might be different points where people gather to talk and trade besides Hurnscald. There used to be a lot of people that hung out at the south of Tulimshar mine and hardly ever went into town since they could sell their goods right after they left the mine and so they hung out there too.

Higher level people used to hang outside the snake pit (hatmaker's cave) south entrance until those annoying snakes started spawning in front of the door there, making it less likely to form a team to attack the snake pit. I'd like to see those two snake spawning points move elsewhere so people can gather at the snake pit again.

[Goku]

Do you think opening up new maps will solve it completely? I think it's a good idea, but not enough. I don't think this thread was started just to talk about how bad trolling has gotten. More so that many feel GM's have become less active, abusive, and at times not wanting to help out.

[Wombat]

I like less GM intervention, so I don't have a problem with it. I think people should stop complaining and take advantage of the "ignore" feature on their client when they get bothered. People that make trolling an issue aren't really trying to get rid of the problem themselves, they want others to do it for them so they can just sit there with their friends. I understand the desire to turn TMW into a chat community in town once all the quests are finished and all the equipment that one wants is acquired and I'm not trying to knock it. But I also think if people are going to sit in town, they are just waiting for trolls to find them and be abused by them.

We used to find another spot to hang out at if all were interested in socializing without trolls. I remember sitting for hours inside of caves killing easy monsters and chatting to avoid trolling. There really is a lot players can do without turning to the GMs for assistance.

[Goku]

Good point. But I also meant it wasn't just trolling that people are complaining about. It's all problems in general, ones that "ignore" can't fix.

[Wombat]

Yeah, I guess you have a point about that Goku. Z0ro brings up some good points on this last case about transparency and how they reported the case, as well as the thread locking. Melkior makes a good case on how the GMs are handling their moderation powers in the "Court House" to where all comments are treated like they are irrelevant, so when we have real problems with a decision made (the reason for transparency) we have to goto another forum section, bleeding the problem into several forums.

I designed "GM Review Board" to function in the "Player Talk" forum for stuff like this, but it is completely voluntary for players to participate in its protocols and it has no real power excluding player suggestions to the developers. The GMs shouldn't be locking threads that deal with their own abuses and this thread probably would be better suited in the "Court House" to keep relevant opinions on the rules together rather than them being spread around...but GMs will lock anything anymore.

I think it is impossible to have fixed rules considering all cases that are reported have different circumstances, though it is sometimes pretty obvious when there is botting, hacking and exploiting the way the game works.

On comment trolling, not speaking English, language abuse and other similar chat based issues, "ignore" works quite well for most cases.

[Goku]

I agree. But if someone goes out of there way, like the Frankie J/shannonbrimer case currently in the Court House, to keep creating characters to troll over and over, something else should be done. Yes, the ignore feature works for that purpose and most likely the player will eventually go away, but showing that nothing else is going to be done is just going to feed the trolls.

[Wombat]

Trolls aren't that annoying. People allow themselves to get annoyed, then they attempt to control the situation based on their annoyance, ending in a ban report once they feel the line of tolerance has been crossed. Very simply, I've been "bothered" by trolls, but I've never reported one because I can always leave the area and invite my friends to come with. If they don't come, obviously they aren't as annoyed as I am. People's levels of annoyance can be shared and people can find other places to go. If they aren't shared...is there really a big problem going on or are people just getting upset over minor inconveniences of getting sat on and talked to by lamers?

[Rotonen]

third point : game

Never forget it is a pre-alpha tech demo stand-in for the actual game which is put up only to attract testers for our client.

[Jumpy]

yes also i forgot to write it

Thanks