My Resignation from HMC, "Groups" and "Los Viscerales"

[PIXIE BOBS]

Hmmm and here i thought better of you Wombat.

Shrugs my shoulders and thinks.

Maybe im not as good at Figuring out the good from the bad any more.

Pixie

[Wombat]

I already showed my evidence, which is the pictures. An opinion is not falsifiable. I like butter. That's an opinion. We are having a discussion on facts, not opinions. I did not have the proper evidence, according to the game's criteria, to prove a fact. Still not an opinion.

If I was trying to prove that Black Don is a silly, I could provide evidence, but this is an opinion using subjective analysis. I can't use any scientific method to prove an opinion, even with screenshots, audio recordings, unedited interviews and special guests. I like chocolate versus vanilla could have a billboard with a picture of me on it with a spoonful of the creamy goodness ready to shove into my mouth. This wouldn't prove that chocolate is better than vanilla, but it could be used to prove that I eat chocolate ice cream.

If someone burned this billboard down, I would lose evidence that I eat chocolate ice cream, but things that aren't falsifiable, like preferred flavor, were not harmed with the burning of the billboard as it is the individual that chooses which flavor they prefer. If someone who took the billboard picture said they saw me eat chocolate ice cream, it is not their opinion that they saw me eating chocolate ice cream. Just because the billboard burned down, facts don't change.

[Wombat]

Pixie...thought better of me?

What?

[Wombat]

I forgot to add: These pictures aren't enough evidence to prove botting. From what I perceived, it was botting. I am aware these pictures are not enough evidence to prove botting for a GM to intervene. My letter of resignation was not submitted in the "Abuse Forum". It was first published on my website, then submitted through IRC during TMW downtime over the Halloween event. It explains my reasons for leaving.

Black Don wants stronger proof of Trelos botting. All I've got is the pictures. My resignation had little to do with Trelos. It had little to do with Tarax. It had little to do with Rocketnick. It does deal with the rules of HMC and how they are enforced. How the activists of HMC were fast to report botters before the new GM system, but when a friend and HMC member would stand accused, the evidence suddenly becomes tighter to prove anything.

Black Don is acting as a lawyer for HMC in a TMW court and treating my letter of resignation as a TMW court document. It was never meant to be submitted as such. It took into account that: Trelos and Tarax as botters was not proven to the satisfaction of GMs. That there was insufficient evidence submitted to the GMs to prove either as a botter. It also took into account that rocketnick was already banned. It was thus submitted with the knowledge that none of those noted would receive punishment for being exposed. Black Don has proved what was already known. Black Don has attempted to claim more than this and has failed.

It was submitted to HMC in an attempt to get them to desire a clean up of their own guild. It was submitted to "Player Talk" (not Abuse) for historic purposes as it is also the founding document of Los Viscerales. I also submitted a description of "groups" to show how a "group" may differ from a "guild".

It is my desire to create a new wiki entry covering "groups" and I was hoping whoever helps with the wiki might have an opinion on if groups deserves its own section before I submitted it to the wiki for review.

[feline monstrosity]

This petty argument became ridiculous when the words "fact", "opinion" and "ice cream" started getting mentioned.

That's just my opinion anyway.

[Crush]

It is my desire to create a new wiki entry covering "groups" and I was hoping whoever helps with the wiki might have an opinion on if groups deserves its own section before I submitted it to the wiki for review.

I renamed the wiki article "guilds" to "Player Groups" to avoid people creating new lists on the wiki for alliances, clans, cults, sects, factions, bands, clubs, cliques, gangs, organizations, societies, coalitions, leagues, fraternities, associations and unions.

Please create a subsection for your conglomerate of players there.
http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Player_Groups

[Black Don]

I already showed my evidence, which is the pictures. An opinion is not falsifiable. I like butter. That's an opinion. We are having a discussion on facts, not opinions. I did not have the proper evidence, according to the game's criteria, to prove a fact. Still not an opinion.

I never had any issue with the content of what you said its when you claim an opinion to being a fact that is when it turns into a lie.

ie I like butter. That is fine

I like butter so that makes it the most healthiest food in the world. That is a lie.

so to say I think someone is a bot. That is fine. To condemn and ridicule others for not believing the same is were you start your deception. Everyone knows you can't prove botting with a screen shot so that would mean all your talk of proof was a lie too, or a huge over statement.

And the HMC does not need a lawyer cause they has done nothing wrong. If there was a GM banning people based on your "evidence" then they would need one. I just don't like it when people use there opinion to invent facts.

[Wombat]

Since Black Don wants to drag this on, we will drag this on. Black Don...what is an opinion? I don't think you know what an opinion is. It's a google search away. Once you have a definition of an opinion, please describe how what I have is an opinion versus a fact. You take three steps forward thinking others will agree, but you stumble along the way making sloppy mistakes. The choir might agree with your use of opinion and 5 year olds might agree with your use of opinion, but I don't. If you want bad thinking to stick, debate with stupid people.

To condemn and ridicule others for not believing the same is were you start your deception.

Source quote this also, I think you are reading something wrong on purpose to enforce your poorly thought argument.

[Black Don]

Since Black Don wants to drag this on, we will drag this on. Black Don...what is an opinion? I don't think you know what an opinion is. It's a google search away. Once you have a definition of an opinion, please describe how what I have is an opinion versus a fact. You take three steps forward thinking others will agree, but you stumble along the way making sloppy mistakes. The choir might agree with your use of opinion and 5 year olds might agree with your use of opinion, but I don't. If you want bad thinking to stick, debate with stupid people.

To condemn and ridicule others for not believing the same is were you start your deception.

Source quote this also, I think you are reading something wrong on purpose to enforce your poorly thought argument.

Its sad when someone just attacks someones intelligence. I used your example of what an opinion is to prove my point.

[Wombat]

So you are going to make a bunch of false claims of slander and then when that doesn't stick, opinion. You then ignore my challenge of how you are using opinion to continue these attacks. I really don't care what you think is sad.

[Black Don]

My posts have never been done to prove anything to you Wombat but to show people the kind of person you real are. People can now read this thread and make up their own minds about that.

[Wombat]

I wasn't posing as anything. I did what I meant to do. I posted my letter of resignation explaing why I am no longer a member of HMC. I posted about the founding of Los Viscerales. I posted about "groups". If you want to poke a wombat and see if he bites, guess you found out. Don't be stupid.

[Hommer]

Wombat please grow up before you use the forums. I've always thought parents should monitor how their young kids use the internet.

[kr0n05931]

Wombat please grow up before you use the forums. I've always thought parents should monitor how their young kids use the internet.

Yes, you have room to talk. Bashing other people on the internet is REALLY mature.

Trelos does bot believe it or not, he has been doing so for months, and I have seen him idling in the bat caves all the time.

[evadem]

Since when is idling considered to be botting? If you do in fact find someone botting, wouldn't it make since to report them to a GM rather then cry about it on this forum? This thread has become nothing but a name calling and pissing contest. Give it a rest.