"Player follow" will get you banned

[altbdoor]

No, you're not in any position to speak, and yes you offended me, so be quiet!

(JUST KIDDING!)

I almost spewed milk out my nose when you said that, I was laughing so hard

lol apologies. probably shouldn't have said anything about levelling XD

I think you put it very eloquently and a lot of what you said has great value.

why thank you you're the only one to notice XD

likewise, i'm playing in every way, the same as you haven't reset my stats, don't plan to either. but because i'm a passive player, i don't really look at my level. instead i focus on walking around, helping out, doing quests... (currently on a sabbatical warpath to collect coals in nivalis lol) char's at lvl 50, and played for a month or so... can't remember lol

[Piateluca]

A little offf topic, but what is the deal with putting the font at minimum size?

[DefinitelyNOTMrWho]

It doesn't matter what anybody says, I don't agree with the new rule interpretation so change it!

Topic closed!

[DarkestLight]

Forcing players to use only the official client is not going to happen.

The TMW development team believes in the open source philosophy. One of the pillars of open source is that every user has the right to improve and modify software to better fit their needs. Without giving the users this freedom, there would have never been a ManaPlus client. And as a result the official client would be worse than it is at the moment, because some features and bugfixes of the official client came from ManaPlus.

Also, what's about developers? The moment I change a line of code, recompile and connect to test it I am using a modified client and thus I would be violating the server rules. Sure, you could make an exception for developers, but then you would have to define who's a developer and who isn't. TMW is developed with the Bazaar development model. You aren't chosen as a developer. You just be a developer by getting the source, modifying it, and sending your modification as a patch to the bugtracker. When we wouldn't allow people we don't know to modify the client and test their modifications, there would be no such "wild" development.

Here at TMW we have an open source philosophy that allows players to edit the game to fit their needs, however we are banning the use of macros that players made to fit their needs.

Nuff said?

[o11c]

Topic closed!

I'm tempted to do exactly that.

however we are banning the use of macros that players made to fit their needs.

By definition, a macro takes user input and then generates an action. As such, no macros are banned. Only actions that happen without player input are banned.

[DarkestLight]

however we are banning the use of macros that players made to fit their needs.

By definition, a macro takes user input and then generates an action. As such, no macros are banned.

mac·ro/ˈmakrō/
Noun:
A single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions.

Something like this

Player presses F key while targeting 'X player', in response:
Player checks 'X players' location <----- Line 1
Player moves to 'X players' location
IF:Player checks if 'X player' is attacking
---Player targets closest monster---
---Player attacks---
Return to line 1

Thus banning follow has banned a macro, or is my definition not good enough for you?
I will follow your rules, but point blank this rule needs to be removed OR you are banning a macro.

I'm fine with both cases but its either or...

[o11c]

The problem with your example, that makes it not a macro, is "return to line 1". Although for the first cycle it would be a macro, after that it is automation.

[DarkestLight]

The problem with your example, that makes it not a macro, is "return to line 1". Although for the first cycle it would be a macro, after that it is automation.

A single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions.

I would have to disagree, Return to line 1 is an instruction just like anything else. As such that instruction then expands into another set of instructions, by definition a macro.

Your talking to someone who came from playing SWG, your not going to get away with defining this as "not a macro"

As I have said, you guys make the rules we follow them, the only thing I don't like is how you sugar coat what you are doing.

"This is not a new rule"
Bull Chocolate Cupcake
"follow command is not a macro"
Like hell it isn't

If you find a need to ban a macro then do it, if you need a new rule to control abuse I'm fine with that.
That being said everyone knows you just added a new rule that bans a macro, deal with it.

[Eldrazi]

i not agree with this rule, coz:
1.this rule cannot change anything, i mean useless.
2.too weak to become a rule. weak from definition etc.
3.hard to detect, too much hole.
4.too arrogant.

just my 2 cent.

[jessyb03]

I don't agree with the rule, however I will follow it (no pun intended).
BUT; it really angers me when KNOWN BOTTERS/STACKERS try to act all high and mighty as if doing this is such a terrible offense. Be honest with yourselves.

Botting has never been legal, we all just find "loopholes" to the rules. So I'm sure most will find another way to stack and bot, this "redinifition" is just going to make it harder.

Besides, the manner in which GMs address enforcing this new rule will really be the issue.

[amarant24]

Very directly I will say that this rule is stupid. I don't see how this affects anything. Botters will still bot and stacking really can't be avoided through this because they can all simply join the same team /exp yes and voila same thing different way to go about it. I will follow the rule although I don't really agree with this ridiculous rule. This won't help the "rebalance of the game" and won't stop botters especially since GM's have a special botting client and other players too (all of which have some type of seniority and priviledges in the game such as GM's and devs). This is only an obstacle in the way of low level botters. And I take it back it does affect the balance of the game it helps newbies stay low level for longer periods of time. There is no way to officially say "This is a bot follow" as opposed to a 4144 follow. Is it necessary when you have a group of friends that are going to the Terra Cave (which is really damn far) that everyone suffer the keyboard when one can simply put follow and get there without having to suffer it? What if I'm in the bathroom and there's a Candor or an event and follow helps me not avoid it?

Do you want to eliminate botting in the game? Start by eliminating the special bot clients the devs and Gm's have (it's supposed to be top secret and hardly no one knows about this client but it does exist, it's a patch really) And start by not giving GM's sooo many priviledges actually lower them to strictly the essential. Because otherwise you're all just preaching in your underwear.

Everytime a new update comes out in the game it makes gameplay less fun, more difficult, and less fair with the cherry on top of new stupid rules. It's soon gonna be illegal to do anything in the game such as speak unless spoken to will result in a ban.

But as I stated I will follow the rule although I see no point in it.

[Big Crunch]

There is no way to officially say "This is a bot follow" as opposed to a 4144 follow.

this is the very reason why it is illegal to use automated following, rather than have some conditional modifiers attached like 'attack follow' etc

[Platyna]

Botting means botting, do not play stupid. Botting, in any game is automated playing, any activity that is done without direct human control, you know it very well so don't make out of it legal plays.

Regards.

[Chicka-Maria]

Whether games like it or not there is always going to be automation in games, WoW, Runescape, hell even that game with the stupid guns and furry creatures has a bot. Its gonna happen anywhere TMW or another MMORPG. Whats the point of making other people suffer that dont abuse this follow feature?

To be honest i just think it should be adjusted to people with the same ip....oh but wait familys right? it wont be fair to familys or people using the same IP...but yet you can make more then half of the population suffer from abusers ? If your gonna make this rule it should be modified for people just with the same ip address...people are gonna complain about familys but you know what its just a big excuse to stack. If its not the same ip at least you know its not the same people.

I agree with Jessy as well, people who are acting all high and are known to be stackers...are you serious?...Be honest to yourself as she said. or are you just finished stacking and dont give a crap anymore? i mean why give a crap if your character is already at level 99 right?

Anyway this rule doesnt stop bots, it will still happen like it or not.

[Crush]

Here at TMW we have an open source philosophy that allows players to edit the game to fit their needs, however we are banning the use of macros that players made to fit their needs.

Nuff said?

Software itself is not good or evil. But that doesn't mean that you can't do evil things with software and expect no consequences.