Off Topic - Talk About Anything In Here

Ultim · Post by **Ultim** » 20 Feb 2006, 02:07

Or option number six! They should delete some material and completely change other material to confuse the point to their own gain!

Two Mana World developers and one Mana World contributor were discussing artwork in the graphics section of the forums. The contributor submitted a piece with a cross on it, to the chagrin of the developers. They expressed their disdain ("Christians in The Mana World?"). The contributor quickly changed the piece, and offered an excuse for his error. When another Mana World contributor asked why this content was not allowed, developer number one answered that he would not allow such content through "his filter." The second quickly backed him up. A moderator cut the thread in half, censoring all the conversation involving the cross and placing the edited content in its own new thread, locked. The story was, in the creator of this thread's opinion, not left in tact. And with no other viable alternative, he went to the forum division labelled "Talk about Anything in Here"... and hence this thread. The fifth choice on the poll was then created by said moderator and passed off surreptitiously as the creator of this thread's. What place does censorship have in TMW?

Post by **Crush** » 20 Feb 2006, 03:33

what are you whinging about? we can't just put everything into the game someone wants. that has nothing to do with "censorship". when something doesn't fit in it doesn't get in. in this case it's not a matter of religious believe but a matter of style. no reason to start a rebellion.

Tenche · Post by **Tenche** » 20 Feb 2006, 03:59

Wow i didint think i whould start something so idiotic as to a HUGE discussion on religion but this about cuts the cake into 1900 peaces....

what the hell is this...

Ultim · Post by **Ultim** » 20 Feb 2006, 05:18

Yes religion started it, but that's not what it's about. It could have been David's Star, the Star and Crescent, the yin yang, or nothing dealing with religion at all. That they're enforcing a single view and discriminating against other veritable ones with blind censorship is awful. i thought this game preached freedom.

Post by **Rotonen** » 20 Feb 2006, 07:32

I stated over a year ago that I will not accept copied content into the project.
An existing religion, well, exists and hence we will avoid elements from it if possible and try to come up with our own.

We can use pieces of existing cultural referrences, but we should always mix them so that they're not really directly recognizable. For example in Tulimsharian architecture you can see hints of middle eastern architecture, but also medieval, ancient Greek, Russian and even gothic architecture.

This also means that we cannot insert something like the symbol of a religion or the Statue of Liberty into the game without side effects. (They would be mixed into a strange context, yeah, but they would still be too recognizable. I want people to primarily associate our content to us.)

Quality control and a strive for originality don't really fall under the category of censorship, do they..?

Post by **Rotonen** » 20 Feb 2006, 07:34

And since this is offtopic:

Tenche, you're improving, the shading on the flag was nice.

Post by **Modanung** » 20 Feb 2006, 09:57

First of all I was not in disdain... I was suprised. Second I didn't back Rotonen up deliberately, I started typing that post while he hadn't replied yet.

But most importantly... [What everyone else said actually]

ultim wrote:i thought this game preached freedom.

There are lots of grades of freedom. And the extreme is called anarchy, where everyone can murder and destroy as they like. The total absence of freedom is dictatorship and emprisonment. Somewhere in between is democracy where everyone can contribute, but some authoraties decide whether it is suitable or not. You can't paint your house bright blue for example (some friends tried it and the house was demolished ...ok it was squated...).
Anyway... I take it you want anarchy and we're in between that and democracy. We don't want people to say "I want mechs and ioncannons in TMW!!!" and get what they want... I hope you agree on that.

Techsetsu · Post by **Techsetsu** » 20 Feb 2006, 10:39

I agree with Modanung and Rotonen, except I was kinda hopin' we'd have this cool sorta dictator thing going on.

Was I the only one feelin' that?

Okay, nevermind.

Post by **Modanung** » 20 Feb 2006, 10:42

We could always democraticly vote for dictatorship.

Post by **Platyna** » 20 Feb 2006, 13:06

Freedom not equals to anarchy, there are things in free democratic countries which you can't do - you can't insult other people, especially leaders of the country or goverment members, you can't pee on flags, crosses, David's stars and graves, you can't kill other people, steal etc. You know why? Because your freedom ends when it violates others freedom, that's why absolute freedom doesn't exist.
You can talk about anything in here within the borders of human decency - it means no insults, no religious wars, no nazism, bestiality etc.

Regards.

Post by **Pajarico** » 20 Feb 2006, 14:25

Ultim wrote:That they're enforcing a single view and discriminating against other veritable ones with blind censorship is awful.

Saying that christian symbols are not allowed -because a matter of style- is "enforcing a single view and discriminating"?
But making christianism the in-game religion is not "enforcing a single view and discriminating" other views?
You are basically taking a flawed reasoning that could be understood in two contrary ways

Why if muslims players think the same? why if jewish players think the same? why if atheist think the same? should we allow every vision of the world, or every suggestion? I don't think so.

And more important, this is not a matter of religion, is a matter of execution.

Your tantrum has surprised me.

Tenche · Post by **Tenche** » 20 Feb 2006, 15:36

i say admin locks this topic before it gets out of hand...

Draicone · Post by **Draicone** » 27 Feb 2006, 07:13

They should censor the material which is offensive or may cause hatred and flames
My opinion, and that of many others

Post by **Modanung** » 27 Feb 2006, 14:02

Am I the only gestapo here? So the rest wouldn't mind if there would be material in TMW that is not offensive but does ruin the entire feeling of the game?
Maybe you didn't vote because you thought the poll was crappicimo. Or were you just detered by the word 'gestapo'? Which I think is very misplaced.

Off Topic - Talk About Anything In Here

How present do you think censorship should be in The Mana World?

Off Topic - Talk About Anything In Here