small discussion on a rule

[bell chick]

i witnessed a player banned pending reset for being afk doing an imitation dance line in town. now i understand why botting is obviously punishable but i have to question the rigidness of some rules when the player is getting no advantage is harassing no one and is causing no harm. this is far different from a player cheating. making examples of players harming no one and not actually cheating just seems a little lame to me. what do other players think?

[tux9th]

[2013-03-03 17:21:05] botcheck.gat(31,40) Narus(2121285) : @warp botcheck
[2013-03-03 17:21:28] botcheck.gat(36,37) Narus(2121285) : @recall morw
[2013-03-03 17:22:18] botcheck.gat(39,35) Narus(2121285) : @t morw i need you to talk to me and you have 1 minute for that you were afk imitating players in town now i need you to tal to me
[2013-03-03 17:22:49] botcheck.gat(39,37) Narus(2121285) : @l the player respond once in botcheck
[2013-03-03 17:24:17] botcheck.gat(39,40) Narus(2121285) : @t being afk and imitatiing others can lead you to be banned for afk activity please be careful next time.

I always thought this was tolerated. I would vote for it to be tolerated. I don't see the harm.

[o11c]

The reason for "no tolerance for auto-follow" is that it's hard to say exactly where the line is.

Though I think this specific example might fall more under "abusing other players" (only if the target complained, of course).

[Big Crunch]

I'm sorry, but the rule explicitly states no afk activity. Regardless of intentions, this is a bannable offense. If someone reports this activity or a GM witnesses it, we have to act on the matter.

BC

[bell chick]

I'm sorry, but the rule explicitly states no afk activity. Regardless of intentions, this is a bannable offense. If someone reports this activity or a GM witnesses it, we have to act on the matter.

BC

understoood and this is not a criticism on gm behavior in any way shape and form to clarify. more a criticism on how far the rule has gone itself. way i see it the rules are in place for 2 reasons. one is to keep the game fair and the other is to preserve the ability of everyone to have fun in the game. but what happens when a rule becomes so strict it goes further and actually starts to hamper with good clean fun. this is my last post here. i see the person was merely warned and i guess thats fine

[Ginaria]

Its none of my favorite rules too... if i have understood correctly, then rules are not made by GM. One of their tasks is to enforce the rules. GMs are voted by community, so seems people trust in them, so whoever make the rules should trust in GMs, that they are clever enough to handle such situations by themselves. I am really thinking a GM can differentiate between abusing follow mode at fighting or if a player follow or imitate someone just for fun at town. For example, if someone forgets to disable emote imitating and is afk, so to kick him off would be enough. To loose all levels for such minor things is disproportionately for me.

(Could be that i forgot an important point, idk, its only my spontaneous point of view...)

[Tasisia]

If there is "no tolerance for auto follow", then why is it still a part of ManaPlus, soon to be THE only official client?

Anyway I was not there to see what happened and I do feel for the GMs who are just trying do what they think is right.

[veryape]

Yeah, it would be really harsh to give him a char reset just for this. Maybe there should be more space for interpretation in those cases.

If the automation is not deamed to give the player any unjust benifits and there is no malicious intent a kick and a stern warning from the gm's should be the first step imo.

And if i read the gm-log correctly Narus acted just this way? "can get you banned"

[2013-03-03 17:24:17] botcheck.gat(39,40) Narus(2121285) : @t being afk and imitatiing others can lead you to be banned for afk activity please be careful next time.

If it is done to harass or to give unjust advantages i feel that the ban on sight rule makes sense.