dark con potion in game?

[wushin]

Most equipment not allowed in game was never really finished. Also added this some of this gear into game tips the scales of balance in crazy ways.
Most items were part of an event and thus were only used as content for a week till a month.
Other items like the Dark Concentration potion never got finished.
Keep in mind the herbs, reagents & potions were meant for a alchemy system.
On That Note: The new server code allows professions as skills. I have code that needs to be polished to do this but it should work for any profession.

[SriNitayanda]

But I have reasons to doubt if someone undertook any special efforts to get items like this and if these efforts could anyhow justify one shot gain of Ms of GPs. Looks like blatant abuse of ingame bugs.

Many players make a bunch of lower level alts to gain rewards at events, you can dig through the forums and see storages filled with rare hats, many of them are from the same event... so in the end its not just one shot to gain Ms of gp's but few or even many. in the unreleased items bug which is also 4-5 years old, it seems that only few players got unreleased items out of this bug. it also seems that some of them gave their items to admins and these items were destroyed.
i play for one year now its the first time i see unreleased item on MM... and unlike rare hats the item still rot on MM.

[o11c]

If you use the #REDACTED spell, you can create a random Dark, Diluted, or normal Conc potion legitimately ...

I'm not telling how to *learn* that spell's name though.

[Hello=)]

Many players make a bunch of lower level alts to gain rewards at events, you can dig through the forums and see storages filled with rare hats, many of them are from the same event...

Well, they spend efforts on raising alts and doing quests just like anyone else does. Sounds more or less fair to me. Not to mention that creation of alt chars is official feature of client and server. Login system assumes you can play more than 1 char. So if you're willing to spend extra time on this, it sounds like a plan. And btw, IRL you can also get some items, wait for some time in hope they become rare and re-sell them at better price. There is nothing wrong on it's own. Bugs usage is wrong because it can give unreasonable reward without actually putting efforts which can justify such reward. And if you dislike all these rares - its rather timed and one-time quests to blame for, I guess. I think its both good and bad.

it seems that only few players got unreleased items out of this bug.

Again, abusing obvious bugs to gain advantage without putting any efforts IMO wrong. And you got unknown ID or exotic item it's obvious it's not meant to be this way, eh?

it also seems that some of them gave their items to admins and these items were destroyed.

I think that if you encounter bug its fair to report it rather than just silently [ab]use it for personal advantages.

i play for one year now its the first time i see unreleased item on MM... and unlike rare hats the item still rot on MM.

I dont mind rares unless they're stolen or introduced in dubious ways (like creating item with @item).

If you use the #REDACTED spell, you can create a random Dark, Diluted, or normal Conc potion legitimately ...

Looks like you've just spoiled some new unobtainable spell .

I'm not telling how to *learn* that spell's name though.

Sure, you dont! Because I have to admit the following:
1) Dark conc potion seems to be meant as byproduct of that spell.
2) The "only" problem I can see: NPC which supposed to help you to learn the spell seems to want LVL 3 magic. Since mana seed is only going to give you lvl 2 at very most... player cant learn it in legitimate ways .
(we should have alt-z smile for cases like this :alt-z:).

So, someone either had early access to unreleased spell or just bugged server and then attempted to gain personal advantage, isn't it? . And now what? Since there is no legitimate way to learn this spell (with current server setting that code path is unreachable) it would be used by some chosen few who learned it from somewhere else. Hmm....

[AnonDuck]

Yup that's right. There's an elite secret society of cheaters and botters running TMW. We all run custom clients with features that put TIM to shame. We only work on TMW because it lets us feel powerful by cheating and screwing over all the players. We've been doing this since 2008 and there's nothing anyone can do about it now that we're the administrators, hosts, and GMs. *sarcasm*

If you really feel that way t3st3r, please go somewhere else. That sort of nonsense has been gone a long time. Since I came back to TMW at the very least, probably longer. It's one of the reasons I left in the first place.. I wouldn't have come back if it were still going on!

Your constant accusations and negativity do not help anything. It also will not change anything as there is nothing to be changed. Aside from some random putzing around for humor and experimentation's sake I have never seen anyone in the new administration, except myself, purposefully act improper in any way.

Give it a rest and realize that everyone in TMWC is working to improve the game and make it more fun for players. Yes I'm sure you can find 200 examples of the current administration acting improper. Why? Because we screw up and make mistakes, just like everyone else. We're human. There's no malicious intent involved, and no "lording over". No secret society, no conspiracy.

All you are accomplishing is to make the players hate the administration, and the administration hate the players. There is NO reason for this and it is bad for TMW. We're all on the same side here. Unless you hate TMW please try to be a constructive(instead of divisive) influence in the future. You are a very intelligent person and could help TMW a lot if you weren't so hung up on the past.

Thank you.

[Hello=)]

MadCamel, I have to admit you're right in many regards and I like your speech. Btw, you've got some strange and exaggerated view of my words. I guess I've been too generic somewhere, so you've took some statements personally while they were not even meant for your head at all. I could sometimes disagree with some of your views on some topics, but at the end of day you're right: I want TMW to be a good place. So I think I should try to be more peaceful and constructive and avoid blaming for mistakes of the past. Sorry if I managed to frustrate you. In fact I never had such purpose. I don't even have anything against you personally at all. And I'm not interested in raising administration <-> players hate. In fact administration <-> players interaction needs to be improved a lot. Achieving opposite could be really shameful fact of my biography, that's for sure.

[wushin]

My Questions now are:
1) Do these unbalance the game?
2) If not, Does anyone want to finish the quest in the Tulimshar Magic school so I don't have to redact 2 spells?
3) If So, lets balance the pots and Does anyone want to finish the quest in the Tulimshar Magic school so I don't have to redact 2 spells?

[o11c]

I see no way in which these unbalance the game.

They may, however, cause chaos in the rares market.

[wushin]

They will stay in game, ingredients or power of item might change, but I say easier to just let them stay. Happy Halloween easter egg Folks.