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Re: Black Don's Crown

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Chicka-Maria wrote:
Cassy wrote:
mas886 wrote:but I'm okay of some of them being really hard to get and nearly impossible. That's the whole point of a "rare" object.
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These items are not necessary for gameplay, I don't see why anybody needs them so desperately. If people want them to make their chars look better ... it's not as if there aren't many cheap cosmetic items floating around. If people want to be really particular and want a specific item for their char ... designer items are hardly cheap, right? The prices people pay for them are much more than what they are really worth. But nobody is forcing them to buy them.
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Re: Black Don's Crown

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mas886 wrote:Why is the people complaining about rares being rares? If everyone can have it playing an afternoon the existence of them would be meaningless and it's name should be changed to "cosmetic" I do not own many rare objects and most of them are cheap ones, but I'm okay of some of them being really hard to get and nearly impossible. That's the whole point of a "rare" object.
Right now they are near impossible to get.
It is harder to find an actual seller than the rare itself.
Let's say that they are obtainable thorough a Boss Points Shop, would you really get 5000 BPoints in an afternoon. I don't want them to be that easy to get neither, but at least there should be a better option that buying them from players (most of them no longer play) and it will keep the game alive too, you would see more people hosting Krunkans, Candors, Cindies, etc.
They are not impossible to get, they just wont be handed to you. You need to earn gold and buy them from people lol. Rares are called rares because they are that...rares. Why should people who like collecting through hard work they have put into collecting have to suffer because others don't like them rare lol. If you look at other MMOs like final fantasy 14 people get unobtainables all the time and the newer generations don't get them at all lol. On this game you can at least buy them off other players, yeah they want a lot of gold for it but that's the whole point of having rare items is for collections and cosmetic for your character they do not give you battle advantages. This also allows a chance for other items like iron ore, dyes, different clothes to be put into the economy too. I also agree with the people that posted above on the subject, they made good points. You should really just earn gold and do the exact same thing everyone else did, learn the markets and buy them. It took me weeks sometimes to get some of the rare items I obtained, it felt well accomplished when I did, and I didn't do it by saying they should be obtainable to everyone on the forums.

clearly other people that are not me agree considering the other posts made.

If you want rewards for the stuff you listed then maybe there should be, but new items, not the rares in the game sorry.

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Re: Black Don's Crown

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Chicka-Maria wrote: You need to earn gold and buy them from people lol. ........ Why should people who like collecting through hard work they have put into collecting have to suffer because others don't like them rare lol.
They are rare because there is no possibility to get them in a quest.
They are rare because there are no more contents(hats) added in game.
In that case you are right.

But can you stop taking ppl for numb plz?

The price you sell it is just something else to make the ppl believe and make their behaviour like you want.
Because only some few ppl have the "rare" in hand, so they choose the amount they want to sell them.
So to make the believe something is "hard" to have, avoid ppl to have them, and increase the value (the value is nothing) you want to increase the belief of "rare".

Before there was the same amount of ppl who have the "rare"...the ppl who did the quest to have them....
But few ppl bought them all, at low price (we can say for some acorn), keeps them in hands and now sell them for "rare".....so dont make me laugh please with your false concept of "rare"

you "did" nothing to have this items, see the manamarket stats to understand it.
for example snow google was sell at 600k gp nowadays you find them for 4kk gp or more. The amount increase in less 1 year.

The stuff sell by the exotic trader are something else.
But the stuff won in game by a quest should not be become rare....

so please, can you stop with the trick...we did it hard to have it... ty

Because you talked about the feeling you had...it was hard...and yes you right it was....
but now its just IMPOSSIBLE, and its a feeling too... but the scale between hard and impossible is a emptyness or a cliff as you want to see it...
And here its a game....
As pleasant the game is, as more players you have to play it.....
as unpleasant the game is, as less players you have to play it...

So its seems that some players want to keep the game unpleasant for the most of us...


Because at your time you won gp and the way to won gp are the same now, there is no other way to increase the amount of gp in our hand now. But you still belief that with work players can have it....lol
Don’t forget the most of you won gp by using tmw issue and bugs.....remember illia bugs where a lv40 could do the quest.
I don’t know others bugs but i heard that before it was more easy to won gp than now.

Let me be clear on this...
before the price was less that now.
So if now with the highier price we cant have a "rare" for example from the exotic trader....how the guys before won them?
Killing red slime?
Selling iron ore in manamarket??
buying at less and selling at more???
Doing bat wings with Arkims...????
:lol:

So, if you want to keep the "rare" like that, feel free.
The real question is do you want to keep the game unpleasant....

But pls can you stop with your "rare" and the false concept of rare?
you want to keep them.....feel free...
what you will do for the others players.....what do you will do to please the tmw community and new players???
They cant have these items....but they can have these items....or nothing
as up to you...
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Re: Black Don's Crown

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@Altus: sorry can't be bothered to read that much text again and I don't want to speak for Chicka but for myself:
No current unobtainable item was regularly obtainable when I started which means that I obtained the ones I didn't get as a gift after hard work.
And yes, grinding and questing for hours is hard work.

Still I am all for making the current unobtainables (btw rare != unobtainable) obtainable again - but still keeping them very - and I mean very- rare.

I'm registered since 2,5 years now and still couldn't get a High Priest Crown which I'd love to have and do you know why?
Because games in which you can get every item after just a bit of grinding are totally boring ;)
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Re: Black Don's Crown

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Cassy wrote:...No current unobtainable item was regularly obtainable when I started ...
They were when I started. Anyone want to buy an eyepatch? I spend ~2 minutes to get it. Now I'm rich because of it :mrgreen:

A bit more serious:
I agree with Cassy somewhat. unobtainsables should be obtainable again... Though IMO they can either be (very) rare or common, that does not matter.
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Re: Black Don's Crown

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Everybody trusth on Manamarket statistics when buying/selling rares, but current prices for rare items and drops are just insane.
The market statistic (Manamarket) can be manipulated by one single player acting as seller/buyer to overprice the items and leave a record with a high amount of GP. Now the players with several alter-chars can get lots of rares in events/quests and exploit manarket overpricing/buying/selling themselves, waiting for a real buyer able to pay the new price (and yeah, people pay millions for a game experience). Maybe economy is broken, so this game is very realistic, i like it. I think that merits (as boss points, quests) have more value than GP, and can be a way to prize the players in change of some of these "rare items".
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Re: Black Don's Crown

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That's what I meant too, I don't want them to be easy to get, it should take at least a few months of monster killing or a year to get the best reward.
New players should have that chance too, or the game gets too boring, when you reach a certain point it just gets pointless to keep playing, and that's why the number or players online decreased so drastically.
A few years ago we used to have new hats or at least some old ones re-released again on events as Christmas and Halloween.
So you have two options, release new quests which would mean new content every X months or just make the older hats obtainable again and hard to get.
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Re: Black Don's Crown

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I don't go off Manamarket statistics and there are others who are willing to trade different items like iron ore and such. So don't assume such lol.. If you think people are leaving this game because they can't get cosmetic items without hard work then perhaps the game needs something else to keep them distracted or lay their goals on. But taking away the fact people DID use hard work to get their rares because some people are too lazy to play with the markets is just wrong lol. It took me a while to get the ones that I do, and any extras I have I sell reasonably and trade Items for that I might need for quests, I've seen others use undead items as currency as well since they're valuable and the drop rate isn't that great.

Don't say they're impossible to get they're really not considering others have done it and they started when the items werent even obtainable in the game lol. A LOT of the stuff wasn't obtainable when i joined and I still got them.

Like I said before, at least in this game those rares are tradable, in other MMOS that are WELL established like FFXIV keep those rares untradable and the newer players don't even get those items xD lol Sorry but I'll keep fighting to keep rares rares and apparently im not the only one who feels this way.

Edit: keep in mind the luvia items are worth quite a bit as well (4-12M) and sell pretty frequent on the forums and in game. There are many ways to make money in this game...

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