Wikipedia article about TMW.

[Jaxad0127]

Intention-X
http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2983

What about the Intention-x article (nvm the link is broken)

It seems they stopped because of low readership.

There's an old posting on the Apple Mailing Lists (3 years ago).

[Len]

Nope, it has to cover us in detail and be more official in nature (It also has to be 3rd party) that Intention-x article would have been perfect.

[Platyna]

They already suggested that Bjorn and QOAL are my sockpuppets. No comment.

Regards,

[Habari]

Quote:
it apperared in Personal Computer & internet magazine in spain in an article of linux games
(it had half a page talking about it)
It would help when you could name the magazine, the issue and the page number.

The name of the magazine is exactly that :" Personal Computer & internet"
i dont remember the issue or page number , because i have thrown the magazine away but in case of emergency i would be happy to write an email to the magazines director explaining our situation and requesting maybe a scan of that page

[EJlol]

please do.

[Len]

http://www.axelspringer.es/English/HTML ... fault.html

Or we could just email them asking for the issue and page number

We could also email Intention-X and ask them to verify that we where covered by them (when they existed)

[Habari]

please do.

I have already done it i wrote to: director.pci@axelspringer.es requesting both number and issue page and a photocopy of the page in pdf i hope i get an answer

We could also email Intention-X and ask them to
verify that we where covered by them (when they existed)

wikipedia would say that magazine has been made up by us

[EJlol]

and the wikipedia article got deleted...

[Platyna]

Yes, and I bet that person who did it didn't even bothered to read the input on AFD.

I was always an inclusionist. But the easier way to pretend professionalism and become an admin is being a deletionist therefore your chances to advance in Wikipedia's social hiarachy is to lead as many successful deletions as possible.

What a prick posts his email address and then asks not to email him. :)

Regards.

[Wombat]

I don't know if I can save the wikipedia article, but I'll put some time into hunting for sources. I'll edit add to this list as I create it. Is there a way to post the original wikipedia entry to TMW wiki? I will not be able to alter it publicly there and drop it into a wikipedia entry, but I could use it as a reference point for developing a new entry, if it seems I can collect the sourcing or re-frame the article. I'm pretty sure others have already invested some effort into this, but I figured I'd have a go at it if its not a bother to anyone.

I do have some ideas on framing the article so that it emphasizes its relationship to the Linux Synapic Package Manager and how this allows the game to be in thousands of homes. Many websites devoted to Open Source games and software include discussions on this Linux mainstay (this point can be easily verified with a google search. one example).

Getting a review from a recognized gamer magazine would definitely help.

Reuters counts as a secondary source, if I'm not mistaken. "SourceForge.net Names Finalists for Community Choice Awards"

(not applicable for WP: Notability)
Review of TMW:
Game Candy #1 "A Maggot Killed Me Twice"
Game Candy #2 "All sorts of cakes and colored presents."
Linux Questions Some Linux RTS Strategy Online
RutSum Top Open Source Games For Old Hardware

A pixelart tutorial using TMW.

Added Comments:

- Changing to the criteria I was outlining may place its notability under Notability (software)

If some software doesn't meet or isn't known to meet the above criteria, the following criteria can be used to estimate if the software is notable:

1. The software is among the core products of a notable software developer or vendor.
2. The software is included in a major operating system distribution such as Debian, Fedora Core or FreeBSD, and the maintainer of the distribution is independent from the software developer. Note that some distributions, such as Debian, include a particularly large number of packages. The more packages a distribution includes, the less notability is implied by inclusion in that distribution. Statistics such as the Debian Popularity Contest help to estimate the usage of particular packages in a particular distribution.

Does TMW count as "included in a major operating system distribution" and "independent from the software developer"?

- Wikipedia has two projects that "The Mana World" may fall under. WikiProject Free Software and WikiProject Linux which just started.

- Wesnoth is also a part of the synaptic package manager's games and has a wikipedia entry.

- The released description about The Mana World's similarities to "The Secret of Mana" and "Ragnarok Online" need to be deepened and explained. Things like the combat targeting system, movement and 2d graphics immediately come to mind in relation to "The Secret of Mana". This would increase the likelihood that it would be included for its "free software" features.

- Description of "The Mana World" from Wiki 4 MMO:

An open-source, sprite-based 2d MMORPG released under the GNU General Public License. It does currently run on the Ragnarok Online server emulator eAthena but a new server software is in development. The server software and content is licensed under the GNU GPL too, allowing anyone to create his own server or use TMW as a base for his own game.

-TMW entry was again deleted, but the entry was thrown up by someone that was enthusiastic about the possibility of having it up. I was disappointed that it was done so soon. From comments received by devs on the wikipedia page (before they were deleted), there might not be a backup from the previous entry.

I ask that anyone else adding an entry add it first to a wikipedia user page so that it might be discussed in a way that prepares the entry for being placed rather than fights to keep it from being deleted. Here is my user page. If it is developed outside of wikipedia, it will ruin its chances of being accepted as a wikipedia entry.

If it is up and good, we won't have to worry about it. If it goes up hastey, its going to keep being a fight to keep up.

[Wombat]

For those that wish to work with me on developing an entry on my user page, please feel free to use my user talk page. I'd like to not develop the definition in this forum as it may compromise the entry and my third party status for this entry.

[ville-v]

Yes, and I bet that person who did it didn't even bothered to read the input on AFD.

No matter how many sources you have to be cited, TMW does not seem very notable (it has not been "published and widely released", and it does not have "a particularly large paid or free subscriber base").

You compared it to Eternal Lands. By quick observation, EL does have 600 players online on the main server and the record is almost 1000, whereas TMW has 60, ten times less. The more notable thing by observer who has just heard about both games is state: Eternal Lands has been public beta for years, whereas The Mana World is repeatedly claimed to be pre-alpha.

It being pre-alpha means the following (based on Wikipedia description): Lots of features are missing, there are billions of bugs because of it cannot become alpha yet, no-one can not play it yet, all "players" are barely testers and the developement might be cancelled at any moment. You (plural "you") are sort of digging your own grave here, in my opinion TMW could be in beta stage already.

[kr0n05931]

Yes, and I bet that person who did it didn't even bothered to read the input on AFD.

No matter how many sources you have to be cited, TMW does not seem very notable (it has not been "published and widely released", and it does not have "a particularly large paid or free subscriber base").

You compared it to Eternal Lands. By quick observation, EL does have 600 players online on the main server and the record is almost 1000, whereas TMW has 60, ten times less. The more notable thing by observer who has just heard about both games is state: Eternal Lands has been public beta for years, whereas The Mana World is repeatedly claimed to be pre-alpha.

It being pre-alpha means the following (based on Wikipedia description): Lots of features are missing, there are billions of bugs because of it cannot become alpha yet, no-one can not play it yet, all "players" are barely testers and the developement might be cancelled at any moment. You (plural "you") are sort of digging your own grave here, in my opinion TMW could be in beta stage already.

You really sound like a wanna-be wikipedia admin who keeps deleting our articles.

[ville-v]

You really sound like a wanna-be wikipedia admin who keeps deleting our articles.

I sound like someone who plays the game but does not worship it.

[Crush]

So you want us to call it a beta and it magically becomes relevant?

The difference between alpha, beta and production versions is so blurry nowadays that the distinction doesn't really matter anymore. There is software called "beta" which is merely a mockup of what it is supposed to be one day and there is software called "beta" which is generating revenue in commercial production environments for years. How it is called is usually a compromise between the marketing department (who want to claim that the project is more mature than it really is to sell it better) and the development department (who don't want to be responsible for errors and thus claim that the project is less mature). We got no marketing department and thus we are careful with how we describe the maturity of our product.