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:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
My animation class ruined anime for me, I can now see all the loops and still frames they use ><… (I still love anime, just it jumps out at me) epically with bleach (only about 5mins of actual animation in each show other than the great openings )

lets look at naruto shippuuden for a sec
http://www.zomganime.com/naruto-shippuuden-episode-101/
0:11 loop
0:16 loop
0:21 loop
0:26 loop (weak attempt to make it appear as if she is talking) 0:30 same
Theses loops are made up of 5 frames at best with mo mouth animation (they just loop open, closed, open, closed... god just compare the opening to the rest of the show

I could go on but I think I’ve illustrated my point
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I find it quite fascinating to pay attention to the tricks and shortcuts they use in anime to save work.

And I can admire it even more when they suddenly do a really great animation sequence like an acrobatic jump during a fight sequence or when they suddenly do a sequence with full 24 fps animation. I am using a video player which can move by frame and I frequently stop playback during action scenes to examine animation sequences in detail.

Being aware of animation technique adds a whole new level to watching animation.
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Crush wrote:I find it quite fascinating to pay attention to the tricks and shortcuts they use in anime to save work.

And I can admire it even more when they suddenly do a really great animation sequence like an acrobatic jump during a fight sequence or when they suddenly do a sequence with full 24 fps animation. I am using a video player which can move by frame and I frequently stop playback during action scenes to examine animation sequences in detail.

Being aware of animation technique adds a whole new level to watching animation.
As do I, but it can get a little..... if it where only like the openings
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It is common that animation studios spend most of their budget on the opening, the first episodes (to get people hooked) and the last episodes (to get people to buy the DVDs).

The most extreme example I noticed so far in this regard was Futakoi Alternative. An action-packed intro, a first episode which was just one awesome action sequence after another and then 13 episodes of talking heads and stillframes. Not sure if the last episodes got better - I stopped watching after the 6th episode or so after a really pathetic chase sequence.
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Movies are mostly done better than series.

I like the work of the Miyazaki family.
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Where is a good site that has good Anime tutorials? I've been drawing anime related things lately, but I can't seem to get some things right. Such as anatomy, facial expressions, hair, and well a bunch others. Is there a good site that gives you easy to understand instructions?
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Do you want to learn it well?

Then I would suggest you to learn how to draw in a realistic style first. Especially when your problem lies in more universal things like emotions and anatomy and not just understanding style conventions.

Manga is, like every form of comic, based on removing unnecessary details and putting emphasis on the remaining ones. To use this technique successfully you have to understand how these details work in the first place.

After you learned to draw people in a realistic style you can easily adopt any style, including manga, by studying existing works for a few hours. And you will do it much better than those kids who try to learn manga by tracing other peoples works.
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Anime is made in a very high quality style where frames take a long time to draw, often used with highly-detailed painted backgrounds that, too, could not be quick to make.

Also, unlike the many older western cartoons, anime uses lighting and shading which would eat up more work time without looping.

It feels culturally illegal to draw anime unless you are an East Asian.
Trying to draw the style feels somewhat more prone to racial insult.

But to think of how dominant the syle became. Possibly even behind the closing of the Disney Florida animation studio (supposedly with the premise that "3D would be better than 2D").

Japan owns the whole dang cartoon patent it seems. But even with non-anime style movies, reading the credits you are likely to see at least a few Asian names. Is cartooning a gene?
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Rotonen wrote:I like the work of the Miyazaki family.
You beat me to mentioning this. Hayao Miyazaki's films are beautiful. (Coincidentally I just watched Grave of the Fireflies, which isn't by Miyazaki, but was produced by the same company.)
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Anime has become so popular in North America that even US based Animation studios are starting to use the "anime" style. Nickelodeons Avatar: the last airbender is a good example. Hanna barbera's Power Puff girls are a better example since a Japanese Company did a rip called Power Puff Girls Z.
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bcs86 wrote: But even with non-anime style movies, reading the credits you are likely to see at least a few Asian names. Is cartooning a gene?
Almost every cartoon outsources the in-betweening to South Korea nowadays. Not because they are talented but because they are cheap. The Simpsons are a prominent example, but the Japanese do it too.

The Japanese at least have the decency to mention the whole team in the ending credits (you can see it because their names are written in latin characters), while western companies only credit the "overseas production coordinator".
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Black Don wrote:Hanna barbera's Power Puff girls are a better example since a Japanese Company did a rip called Power Puff Girls Z.
The original PPGs don't look particular animesque to me. Much better example for anime-influence western animations are Teen Titans and Winx Club in my opinion.
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For the Japanese influence in Teen Titains, they even have a Japanese singers for the opening! But it did give me a game as to try to guess what language it would be for that episode.
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Crush wrote:
Black Don wrote:Hanna barbera's Power Puff girls are a better example since a Japanese Company did a rip called Power Puff Girls Z.
The original PPGs don't look particular animesque to me. Much better example for anime-influence western animations are Teen Titans and Winx Club in my opinion.
I would agree with you for the most part Crush. I would also point out that the general art work is not super anime-ish for PPG's but they do use the same a-typical chibi body proportions on the girls themselves.
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The PPG style rides more on the 60's American animation nostalgia wave. The Pink Panther shorts serving as a fine example of the style for the interested.

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