No Game Masters on server

[Black Don]

I glad other people are starting to come forward with their stories cause its not character assassination if the stories are true and come from multiple sources.

[Jaxad0127]

Anyways seems like the people who put the GM's in their position are slapping them in the face by not spelling out what the rules are for certain situations that arise again and again here. And some players are pissed about it and taking it out on GM's too. Maybe rather than vote for GM's we need to vote for some new rules and guidelines so they know the best way to handle certain situations fairly and HONESTLY for all. and above all make these GM's that are walking around provoking people accountable for their actions if not being in accordance with what they were given to actually do here.

We've been trying to make new rules and guidelines, but consensus is difficult. This period without GMs will allow us to look at where they're really needed.

(seems like a conflict of interest to me to be a GM and even be in a party to begin with but that is another thread)

So, GMs have to stop playing the game?

I glad other people are starting to come forward with their stories cause its not character assassination if the stories are true and come from multiple sources.

On the Internet, how do you know two people are really different people?

[Katze]

(seems like a conflict of interest to me to be a GM and even be in a party to begin with but that is another thread)

So, GMs have to stop playing the game?

I can tell that this is utterly unnecessary!

[Balthazaar]

(seems like a conflict of interest to me to be a GM and even be in a party to begin with but that is another thread)

So, GMs have to stop playing the game?

no i don't propose they stop playing just was making a point (maybe came across too strong) that the person this GM was defending when coming in the private place to warn my friend not to talk to me was a member of their hunting party. Ultimately trying to show some proof that maybe a little favoritism was going on. Which we all know happens I have my favorite GM's (MK and Katze ) just like everyone else does and some GM's I have barely even spoken too because I never had a need luckily because when they do their jobs they do it good. And this is why it is great to see Jax that you all are considering some additional rules and guidelines i think this will help GMs give them more tools to use when dealing with situations they are unsure of and players alike so they know what to expect.

because when 1 player is banned for calling someone a pig and 1 isn't for even worse language this is where we need consistency between different GM's to protect the GM's from looking like they are favoring anyone even if they aren't

I know the discussions have happened before I hope they continue to be positive this time around for all.

*cues trolls*

[Katze]

Well, then I want people hear complain about me using my main char for GMing.

With reasons concerning my behaviour, please.

[Katze]

So no need for that rule.

[Black Don]

I glad other people are starting to come forward with their stories cause its not character assassination if the stories are true and come from multiple sources.

On the Internet, how do you know two people are really different people?

Ahhh then no one should be given any powers over anyone cause we just don't know anything do we.

Ask a serous question I will give a serous answer.

if your suggesting that there are Dev's playing Troll accounts like inspector shameless? I would agree. That is why I "Troll" and say unpopular things under my own name. I would suggest that it comes down to who you think is worthy of the respect of your trust which by such a comment would suggest not many.

[Crush]

I do not catch something. "Experiment" implies, that there is observer(s) who is doing the research and makes clues of it (works out results). Then who's observing if there are no GM's?

Mostly we developers. Concerned members of the community will surely also have a lot to say when this experiment is over. And don't forget that the game masters are not banned from the game just because they enjoy a temporary break from their duties.

[Jaxad0127]

I glad other people are starting to come forward with their stories cause its not character assassination if the stories are true and come from multiple sources.

On the Internet, how do you know two people are really different people?

Ahhh then no one should be given any powers over anyone cause we just don't know anything do we.

Ask a serous question I will give a serous answer.

if your suggesting that there are Dev's playing Troll accounts like inspector shameless? I would agree. That is why I "Troll" and say unpopular things under my own name. I would suggest that it comes down to who you think is worthy of the respect of your trust which by such a comment would suggest not many.

All I'm saying is that you can't trust that "multiple" sources are actually more than one. Even in the physical world it gets difficult.

[verdo]

what i meant by "jackasses" was that ther were some players following me around, stealing my monsters that was was fighting and would keep doing that and then i couldnt tell anyone. Im sorry, i was just mad.

[Hello=)]

As for me, GMs probably should exist - just to deal with things which are hard to track automatically. For example, botting (especially, advanced methods), people who exploits client or server bugs or causes too excessive annoyance when there is no technical countermeasures to prevent it, etc. In short, you can't put automated checks and countermeasures for each and every possible kind of human abusive behaviour and some kinds of behaviour can cause reasonable damage.

I guess people are (personal) attacking GMs because they dislike to feel they're "second rate" citizens when they see GMs too often and understand they can't do some things GMs can do. Hence it's a good practice to minimize staff visibility and only use administrative commands when there is absolutely no other ways to do the things right. So, their interference with normal gameplay and visibility to players under normal scenarios should be minimized, IMHO. At least this seems to work for IRC networks (in most of networks you usually just chat and do not encounter staff and do not have any troubles due to staff existence until something goes really wrong).

[MasterKenobi]

All positioning and parsing of words aside:

The fact of the matter is:

There is a group of people who either have a problem with certain GM's or never liked the idea of GM's to begin with.
These people complained to Bjorn and Jax* continuously.
These people continually complained in the forums and tried to stir up controversy whenever possible.
I won't say who these people are, instead I will let them identify themselves if they so choose. I'm sure most of you know already.

Anyways, instead of dealing the problem Bjorn caved and pulled the plug on the GM's.

These are the facts. Position yourselves as you see fit, but you can't escape the reality of the situation.

jaded,

MK

[Booth]

Lmao, where have I been...and i believe there should be 2-3 ACTIVE GM's which the only active GM i've seen lately is Delasia shes been on everyday, I know im a friend of hers but it has nothing to do with being active. Katze and Capt have came on maybe twice a week also, which isn't that bad. But, this is a good way to see how bad the community will turn out, the main thing we don't need is botters besides that GM's aren't needed.

[Balthazaar]

All I'm saying is that you can't trust that "multiple" sources are actually more than one. Even in the physical world it gets difficult.

You do make a good point there Jax but I assure you or anyone else reading I have not posted about these activities before and if you want I will list the players I play. If someone else has a similar story (which it seems Uber also has some) that would constitute multiple sources and I assure you they are not me. And like Uber said in his post if anyone wasn't clear about what the posts were talking about feel free to PM us. I could also prob get my friend on here to verify what I have said is true but I don't think we need to do that.

It seems that for the most part we are all on the same page here, so why the GM's are getting a much deserved break. I suggest we put this thread to some constructive use and start talking about what kinda rules we like and dislike as a majority. What will work and won't work. And how to get these rules to the player here and in the future (ex maybe as part of the tutorial on the new server).

I would like to ask if I am not too bold here to first let the GM's talk on IRC or here and decide what rules if any they would add and consequences that would help make their jobs easier as well as make sure we retain consistency among GM's and players when dealing with issues. Then possible for the player community to respond with there input as well so we can come up with some sorta compromise between all parties.

AND PLEASE try to keep it positive and constructive for both sides, as we all love this game and want it to move forward not backwards with more negative and useless bickering.

[Booth]

How long will this experiment be held for?