Info about TMW - clear and open

[Leela]

Ok I thought I start a new topic for this, because it is simply going to far offtopic in the other thread (http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... =5&t=10674)

For those who don't know what this is about.
Some people think that there is not enough clear information. That things are too much kept in secret. That devs don't wanna tell us what is going on.
Crush had the great idea that someone from the community could put together information for everyone.
Other devs also said, that things are public and clear.
So I start this, let'S see what i can get.

This is what i did yesterday (may,12th):
i subscribed to the mailinglist. but saw that there was the last post in febuary or so.
I went to irc where Freeyorp told me that being online in the dev-rooms makes more sense as most communication is there.
So I was idling in the following rooms for I think 6 hours:
#themanaworld
#tmw-art
#tmw-content
#tmw-dev
#tmw-gm
but other then some people joining and leaving, nothing happened.
I will continue to visit those rooms to see how much communication happens there and if i can get any useful information from there.
Also I followed the link "How to help" from the index page of the forum. http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/ ... he_project
it lead me to a wiki page which is obviously out of date.
Anyway I found a link there: http://mantis.themanaworld.org/login_page.php which might be a dev-forum or so... at least that is what i think. but you only can enter when registered. Didn't register yet.
And I found this page http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Suggestions which seems a bit out of date, too as some of the stuff already happened but is still in the list.

ok that is it so far... not really anything useful yet but i do what i can.

[Crush]

i subscribed to the mailinglist. but saw that there was the last post in febuary or so.

Yup, the mailing list is pretty dead.

I went to irc where Freeyorp told me that being online in the dev-rooms makes more sense as most communication is there.
So I was idling in the following rooms for I think 6 hours:
#themanaworld
#tmw-art
#tmw-content
#tmw-dev
#tmw-gm
but other then some people joining and leaving, nothing happened.
I will continue to visit those rooms to see how much communication happens there and if i can get any useful information from there.

Most developers are from Europe and have jobs. This means most stuff happens on weekends and in the (european) evening. Another channel you should definitely be idling in is #mana on irc.freenode.net because the programming is discussed there and occasionally a TMW topic finds its way in there, too.

Also I followed the link "How to help" from the index page of the forum. http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/ ... he_project
it lead me to a wiki page which is obviously out of date.

Except from the fact that all the programming was outsourced to Manasource this page is still quite accurate.

Anyway I found a link there: http://mantis.themanaworld.org/login_page.php which might be a dev-forum or so... at least that is what i think. but you only can enter when registered. Didn't register yet.

That is our bug tracker where tasks are managed. Definitely a very important thing.

And I found this page http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Suggestions which seems a bit out of date, too as some of the stuff already happened but is still in the list.

Jup, that article is a necessary garbage dump to keep people with not properly thought out ideas away from the proper concept articles.


One very important information source you missed are our git repositories. Whenever someone does something it appears here.
http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Git_repository
You can also subscribe to RSS feeds of the repositories making it much easier to track the latest developments.

[Leela]

ok thanks Crush, I will check that mana room on the other server and the gitrepository, tomorrow.

Also actually if someone is in the rooms you get pretty good answers and/or links. Some stuff is just too detailed for someone like me who has simply no clue about these things, but actually i found a few things.
I am going to collect a bit more and then will write all the things as a list here, in the firstpost, and also for the people who do not use the forums I will try to get a meeting to inform people... will see if i find a gm to make an announcement at weekend.

But at this point I have to say that I was wrong the other time about "everything has to be a secret". Actually asking them in IRC about stuff they where talking I got open answers. But I was only talking to Freeyorp, Jaxad, and Enchilado. So I don't know how it is with the rest of the team.

@the team: don't feel spied on or tested or anything, please. No intention like that from my side. (Just if there is someone who thinks in that direction)

cu ingame

[Leela]

ok today i was online on irc, all recommended channels for, 5 hours. but apart from a few lines hi and bye there was nothing interesting.
Crush said there might be more on weekends. So we'll see what's coming up on weekend.

cu ingame
Leela

[John P]

cool, a secretary.

[Leela]

cool, a secretary.

if noone else does it

[Jaxad0127]

IRC isn't the most active, but it's the fastest way to communicate. Some channels don't get activity for weeks at a time.

[Leela]

ok Jaxad, where is enough activity to get some information.
I see no point to ask devs in personal because I don't want to get them annoyed. I try to get the information that everyone can get.
Many times you (the Devs) said, the infos are there. So, ok, where?
I was idling for days, I was idling yesterday nearly the whole day. And I got only 3 things to tell, and they where on one day.

Of course I could read the whole wiki but the wiki is not up to date on exactly the pages that should matter.

This is from Crush:

Jup, that article is a necessary garbage dump to keep people with not properly thought out ideas away from the proper concept articles.

Not good. Just telling.
People try to get information and land exactly on such pages. So they get basically no information that matters.

As I said, you have to know where to dig, to find something.
Please tell me where to dig because I do not know. I land on the sites everyone will land on, and if they are for people without good ideas, where are those for people who have good ideas? Where are the pages that have news?
Should I read the whole forum and the whole wiki and then decide myself what is important and what not?

Unless you don't want information to reach the community it shouldn't be too difficult to tell me where to look. I ran out of ideas.

[DarkWater]

IRC isn't the most active, but it's the fastest way to communicate. Some channels don't get activity for weeks at a time.

The main communication medium of the development team is and has always been IRC. So when you really want to know what's going on you should idle in the development IRC channels. Don't worry, we don't kick anyone out who wants to participate or just listen.

Jax, sweety, when I get some free time, you and I need to talk, ok? Please post a time that is good for you. I would really like to talk to you, leela, and anyone else that wants to join in.

This has gone to far, and we need to stop this. So please, anytime you are ready.

[John P]

Leela, I'm not sure what information you're looking for exactly, but if you're looking for "updates", the link Crush listed:

http://wiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Git_repository Has a list of links to the different repositories containing the files for servers, the clients, art, and so on. Whenever somebody creates a new piece of the puzzle, it has to be uploaded there. When someone uploads, it is timestamped and changes noted.

Mantis is the reported bugs, discussions on who will fix them and how.

Or are you looking for more "content" conversation?

[Leela]

John P I am looking for any information about the project and its development. Thanks for the link, i am going to check it out.

Actually the only one who seems not to wanna cooperate, no idea why, is jaxad. When I was talking to him he seemed like he would rather do everything behind a closed door with noone picking his nose into the project.
But actually @Jaxad: Noone is trying to do something, to interfer. What I am doing is trying to gain information.

When I heard so many things yesterday I was like this: Woooooah this is some cool stuff happening.
I am really looking forward to the day when the cool stuff is being released.
Don't you guys want a community like that? A community that is informed and because of that wants to stay, because they have an idea of what is coming up.
Or do you like that people are leaving the game because they get too bored and nothing new is in sight? I saw many people leaving the game just because you do not see any progress.

Dark Water: I'd like to talk to you ingame... when we see each other next time.

Yesterday Fother told me a lot of things he is currently working on in the art-section.
I also spoke to Rotonen who was pretty open and asked me for something.
Freeyorp told me something i didn't understand so I will not include that in the information.
I got some info about new stat-names and points.

Today I hope I can do a meeting ingame and also will write the whole informations I got here. Just not now... Still a bit tired, it is morning here.

[Jaxad0127]

Actually the only one who seems not to wanna cooperate, no idea why, is jaxad. When I was talking to him he seemed like he would rather do everything behind a closed door with noone picking his nose into the project.
But actually @Jaxad: Noone is trying to do something, to interfer. What I am doing is trying to gain information.

Where did I say or act like that? I'd love to cooperate. I'm having some hardware issues atm, so I'm only on #mana for now.

[Leela]

Jaxad it just seems like it... don't know why, just got that feeling. but good to know that you would like to.

i am not on irc today though...

[whynotdad2]

There are others servers, have you tried to get input from them? Some of the have irc channels too.

[Leela]

@whynotdad2: no. What good does it do to tell people on this server about the development of other servers? I am not going to advertise other servers, sorry.


btw. rl was shouting at me yesterday and might the next days to. I am holding the meeting as soon as rl stops shouting