iceslice wrote: If I could show you the time-expansion curve of the universe.
Well, universe itself has a mass.
Yes, but most of the energy the universe is dark energy. Most of the mass is dark mass. We do not understand the properties of those to yet to understand how the curve of the universe should be formed.
We also will have to deal with the mass of gravitons and exotic matter/energy.
Mass can be predicted over time/space. But dark matter/energy, gravitons, and exotic matter/energy are unknowns.
If fact we see the effects of exotic matter in the universe (Casimir effect). But the only model of exotic was written by thorne in the back of a jeep traveling to Seattle one holiday break.
But back to the OP
The idea behind that post was to excluded people from the conversation of why we are here. To claim anyone is wrong in this subject is just stupid, until you can prove with a doubt that you are 100% right.
Instead of pulling those people away from the table, discrediting them. We need to listen to there ideas and theories. We need to understand why they think they way they do and where the disconnect from the facts are.
By including them in the conversation, they are less likely to out and out protest and disrupt us. If they feel they have a voice and a position at the table, they will join in the conversation. Once they see the outcome of the conversation, they will have a real stake in the project. Which means they will have to defend their position and therefor ours. (same can be said for the manaworld, truth be known.)
The catholic church as said evolution is true.
Pope John Paul II wrote:"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points....Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies – which was neither planned nor sought – constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."[26]
