Items/money/levels wipe.

[Crush]

When you analyzed the userfile and came to the conclusion that a wipe is the only possible solution, could you please post the results of your analysis and how you came to this conclusion? It is really hard to come up with an alternative solution as long as you refuse to outline the exact nature and extend of the problem.

I would also be interested in reading what you "have already conceptualized", because exchanging our ideas before making decision is the way we are always doing things in this team.

That means if you are even interested in finding an alternative solution which isn't something you didn't come up with yourself.

[Platyna]

We are not looking for an alternate solution here, we are supposed to post argument for and against the wipe, so keep on topic please.

Regards.

[Sertraline]

Arguments for

• Absolute equality
  Brute-force rebalanced economy
  Allows pre-wipe players a token of appreciation for their hard work

Arguments against

• Punishment does not fit the crime
  Does not address the larger problem of the economy (not enough "faucets" or "drains")
  Does not realistically or appropriately honor the efforts of long-standing players
  Would require lots of time and effort to adequately address the two mentioned above -- too complex

Edit Fair enough, Platyna, I rescind my last objection. Go to http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopi ... =12&t=3959

[Platyna]

Much better, and you are free to create as many topics you wish on this forum.

Regards.

[Crush]

We are not looking for an alternate solution here, we are supposed to post argument for and against the wipe, so keep on topic please.

As I already said: An alternative solution IS an argument against a wipe. I think you are just trying to silence any opposition by forbidding any discussions about alternatives.

[Platyna]

I am forbidding all discussion on alternatives in THIS thread, and you have free to make a new one about whatever you want.

Regards.

[salmondine]

I vote against wipe.

[tarax]

I am like others, never got the Christmas stash and have spent 4 months building up my < 1M gp treasure....

SO, I vote for a limited wipe.
Something to the effect of wiping all amounts over 1M gp.
Wiping all multiple copies of items, even arrows, they are easy to replace...
Enable a trading window when you cannot trade groups of items with a cost difference of over 5K, i.e. Runescape.
Pump up the logs and enable some volunteers to look over the logs to see if they see proof of multiple characters, I.P. addresses. that are hiding wealth.
Develop items to be bought & sold with higher values, ie, gems and jewelry.
I will volunteer to look at logs and help be Sheriff.

[Landon]

I can be the A-hole sheriff too, I impartial and not a member of any guilds. I can up hold the rules.

[Platyna]

People...read what is posted here, you will be able to get all items that you already have, old "rares" will be reintroduced in new quests so you will have them without paying 1M and they will be still rare, since the part of quests will be closed, so you will have the same opportunity as the old players had to get nice items.

Regards.

[Black Don]

First I will say this thread was quite to read and that I don' think a wipe is needed at this time.
I will agree that yes some people got what they have buy cheating. Oh well.
The economy is still working as well as it always has and a wipe will not fix it. With the amount of new players coming and going it would not take long before inflation would grip us once again. The game still works as well as it ever has, people will just have to get over the hole bug issue. I say this not because I have a lot of stuff,because I don't. I have roughly 1.5 mill GP and a hand full of rares. The only reason I'm such a high lvl is because I spent a lot of time lvling before I got into doing pixel art. If I was still putting as many hours lvling in now as I was before snake cave, I'm sure me and Lore could have toped lvl 100 by now. But now I'm rambling a bit so to sum up why I think there should not be a reset is that I don't see the point. No mater what system you implement it would never be fair, some one would find a way to abuse it some how. So that would leave me to ask the question, how is that any different then what we have now?

[Matt]

People...read what is posted here, you will be able to get all items that you already have, old "rares" will be reintroduced in new quests so you will have them without paying 1M and they will be still rare, since the part of quests will be closed, so you will have the same opportunity as the old players had to get nice items.

Regards.

But old players like me don't like to waste their time again

[Platyna]

I wonder why do people doesn't underestand that if we will not have a start point of economy developed on eathena, then we will repeat same mistakes on the "new server"? I am really speaking English so badly? How many wipes we want on a new server? I thought none.

Regards.

[Shaili (a.k.a. tds)]

The Quick attack bug fixing caused a drastic stop in levelling. This is a valid argument against a level wipe. Players who starts playing will grow slowly. ^^

[Platyna]

It is rather an argument for the wipe, since everyone were archers therefore everyone were gaining their levels by abusing the bug.

Regards.