[WIP] making a shadow mob

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[WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by nmaligec » 27 Jan 2011, 12:20

I thought that a new mob that is literally a shadow might fit well in the lower parts of the crypt. I wasn't sure how it should look though and wanted some ideas before making a req in the graphics forum.

Do people think that a solid black version of the current player sprite sheet will look good, or lame?

Are there alternative ideas on how to do a shadow monster?

Instead of a flat, 1 colour object, would it look better if it had highlights and hints at volume? This might make it look better.

comments/ideas will be very appreciated.
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Re: [DIS] making a shadow mob

Post by Crush » 27 Jan 2011, 12:59

A shadow monster is indeed pretty easy to make because it requires no shading and only minimal level of detail, but just using the silhouette of the playerset is just a bit too cheap, in my opinion. How about giving the shadow a more monster-like form? Here an example from Chrono Trigger how I would picture the shape of a shadow monster:
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Here is a mob of shadow monsters from Planescape:Torment. Although definitely not the TMW art style I really like their take on the subject regarding shape design, color and hinting volume through highlights:
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Re: [DIS] making a shadow mob

Post by Reid » 27 Jan 2011, 13:03

Modanung and tmw-br worked in a ghost-shadow mob, it will be really good for the crypt and it look like that it's what you want. (I don't got it right now, you should ask them or search...)
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Re: [DIS] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » 31 Jan 2011, 04:57

started playing with the idea.....and got this so far.
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Re: [DIS] making a shadow mob

Post by nmaligec » 01 Feb 2011, 00:00

Well here is my lame attempt at it, using just a blackened player sprite. Maybe it will look better with proper highlights or even just giving it glowing eyes.

The key features of this mob were that it be:
1. easy to pixel
2. look subtle and blend into the background (seems to look best on the light background below)

If you have to spend more than 4 hours on this, it might be better to go with a totally different type of mob and not be restricted by how a shadow should look.
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here it is on diff tiles, at a much lower opacity
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I should have set the opacity to 50 instead of 75.
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Re: [DIS] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » 01 Feb 2011, 00:12

i like your idea alot more ...a small glowing eyes. would make it work well imo ...as lots of us have said "less is more" :mrgreen: ....

@nmaligec----do you still need a sprite sheet of this or are you all set ? :twisted:

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Re: [DIS] making a shadow mob

Post by salmondine » 01 Feb 2011, 02:13

I have been killed by unseen monsters for years now...the deadliest in tmw.
I suggest we name this Mob "The Lag" =]
Really like the idea.
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Re: [DIS] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » 01 Feb 2011, 04:12

salmondine wrote:I have been killed by unseen monsters for years now...the deadliest in tmw.
I suggest we name this Mob "The Lag" =]
Really like the idea.
best name for a mob EVER ....

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Re: [DIS] making a shadow mob

Post by Crush » 01 Feb 2011, 10:02

skipy wrote:Image
I like this approach much better than the image filter jobs of the player sprites.
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wraith / shade

Post by nmaligec » 01 Feb 2011, 10:39

Here is a mock up of how I envisioned the skeletal version would attack. This version works better for a diff mob concept I had where it would be barely visible when standing, ~25% visible when walking and then possibly the opacity lvls as in the demo below.
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If possible I would still like to get a separate shadow mob. If no one likes the player sprite version I proposed and if no one else comes up with a good solution, then it will have to be canceled.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by Crush » 01 Feb 2011, 11:05

While it might be tempting to create a "cloaked" mob by making its sprite barely visible when idle, it will just result in players using ManaPlus to make it more visible by showing its position with an ugly rectangle. Please always keep in mind that the job of the game graphics is to visualize what is going on in the game, and not to conceal it.

I also like the attack concept, but I am a bit worried if you will manage to synchronize it that well with the sprite of the player characters in practice.
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no way to hide mobs from clients

Post by nmaligec » 01 Feb 2011, 11:27

Even with the 0.0.29 client, players can just hit the 'x' key to target nearest mobs. I am aware of the fact that it will not be concealed from players. It is more for a style than a game mechanic. If some ppl couldn't care less for the atmosphere I am trying to set in the crypt, then they can use settings to ruin the effect. However, I am trying to target the average player who I hope will appreciate the novelty and creepy effect of ghostly apparitions hunting them.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by salmondine » 01 Feb 2011, 12:30

I use control + a ...but nothing can hide from auto target.....fighting as an archer these keys are constantly depressed.
so no matter what the final form, it will be inside targeted animated ring symbol,
Even if 100% transparent, I wouldn't like a 100% transparent mob, just saying.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by meway » 02 Feb 2011, 01:02

It would be cool to make the death animation of the mob to spawn this other creature. give the shadow itself a low attack and defense. when it is attacked this thing come out.
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Re: [WIP] making a shadow mob

Post by skipy » 02 Feb 2011, 04:07

just 1 layer---skipy
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