Old Rares

[Chicka-Maria]

Hi, i noticed for the past 2 major quests older rares have been the prizes, (which im guessing is from lazy development) old rares should not be brought back in game so much. first of all this isnt fair to players who have worked hard to save gp for the rares they have already its like they worked for nothing. this is coming from a rares collector. The christmas quest just had a rare prized quest which brought the value of rares down majorly now theyre out again for the easter quest? thats kind of rediculous.... if this keeps up rares are going to be worthless which wont be fair to the players who have been here for years spending so much time collecting.

[mistergrey]

Yeah, someone already told me they got 3 Bunny Ears so far, so I'm guessing all those "classier" rares will be worth about, 500k by the end of this, if not even less lol.

I think it's cool when they do this once in a while, but after doing it for the xmas quest, it is kind of going overkill on the game's already screwed economy.

The quest was really cool though, at least I get a few random things to collect, like the easter basket, jelly beans, etc

[Chicka-Maria]

its like whats the point in making collections?
personally i saved up 6kk for bunny ears before and now their in the game free which i think is kind of low. i dont think the people who put these things back in the game know how it feels to work hard for "collectables" then it turns out to be nothing later -_-
im sure the newbies love it, but its not fair to the older players in the game who have been here for years.

Regards,

[yourmistakes]

apparently Tiana wanted an original hat for the quest reward, but the picture i've been painted by asking around is that this idea was shot down when no one could make an xml for it. unless it was some awesome hat like the jester mask, it should only take small edits to a pre existing xml file, because hey . . hats are 4 frames.
tl;dr the quest was great, the rewards are bullshit.

[Reid]

Mimi, which graphics? I saw none ask for XML since years on this forum.

Chicka, it's maybe funny for you, yes, but for somebody which 'only' play 8 or 10hours/weeks it's less funny to hear "you can't get it, you wasn't here at the good time and you will need to collect 12kk to get it ".

But I agree with you, now my funky hat collection is less important ^^'

[Chicka-Maria]

the rewards are bullshit.

I couldnt agree more.

Chicka, it's maybe funny for you, yes, but for somebody which 'only' play 8 or 10hours/weeks it's less funny to hear "you can't get it, you wasn't here at the good time and you will need to collect 12kk to get it ".

But I agree with you, now my funky hat collection is less important ^^'

10 hours a week is enough to save for a rare reid, point is its not fair for the players who have put alot of time and effort working hard to get these items and now their worthless.
Its pretty much working for a trophy prize for a long time, then when you finally get it you feel like crap becase 40 other people got it the next day without any effort whatsoever.
also who said anything about 12kk? the easter hats from last year are being sold for like 100-200k if that.

Regards,

[Frost]

I understand why "collectors" might be upset about this. I'd like to present another point of view.

I started playing in June last year, after the Christmas-time and Easter-time quests. I was able to buy an Eggshell Hat, and got Rabbit Ears (neither very rare) from a friend, but everything else was priced hopelessly out of my reach on TradeBot.
The Christmas quest was a delightful surprise: my first (perhaps only) chance to get some really cool hats like the Mush Hat and Bunny Ears! I didn't get my dream of a Top Hat, but hey it's just a game and you can't have everything.

If there were a quest I could do to get rares, then we could discuss how hard I would have to "work" to get them. If something can be obtained only from another person, then "work" really means "working for the other person." In a game like this, that feels all kinds of wrong.
[Edit: If an item is posted for sale at an achievable price, then one could "work" to save up for it. If something isn't posted for sale, then I guess you would have to please an existing owner so much that they would offer to sell you that rare. It's that "please an Internet stranger" part that has me squicked.]

I understand why someone who already has Item X would like to feel privileged to have that item. Part of that privilege might come from the knowledge that others simply could not obtain such an item. Those who have amassed large collections like Chicka are probably the most upset of all.
I will point out that the monetary value of an item that can be bought only from others is defined by selling price. It could be very difficult to value a collection that is not for sale.

its like whats the point in making collections?

1) Maybe it's just fun to collect.
2) Maybe you like knowing that you obtained items that others now cannot.
3) Maybe you see your collection as an investment vehicle that you will someday sell for "profit," and you're watching your investment value decline.

i dont think the people who put these things back in the game know how it feels to work hard for "collectables" then it turns out to be nothing later

Perhaps. Or perhaps some of the devs don't share your strong feelings. I gave more than one dev rares from the Halloween and Christmas 2010 quests, as thank you for their continuing hard work. They like collecting as much as anyone.

im sure the newbies love it, but its not fair to the older players in the game who have been here for years.

I don't feel threatened by others' ability to obtain cool items in the game. Then again, I've been playing for less than a year.

[knight]

like frost said, this is just a game. just enjoy it!
but i also agree with chicka. its so unfair for those who spent that amount of money for things that are given for free now.

[Chicka-Maria]

I understand why "collectors" might be upset about this. I'd like to present another point of view.

I started playing in June last year, after the Christmas-time and Easter-time quests. I was able to buy an Eggshell Hat, and got Rabbit Ears (neither very rare) from a friend, but everything else was priced hopelessly out of my reach on TradeBot.
The Christmas quest was a delightful surprise: my first (perhaps only) chance to get some really cool hats like the Mush Hat and Bunny Ears! I didn't get my dream of a Top Hat, but hey it's just a game and you can't have everything.

If there were a quest I could do to get rares, then we could discuss how hard I would have to "work" to get them. If something can be obtained only from another person, then "work" really means "working for the other person." In a game like this, that feels all kinds of wrong.
[Edit: If an item is posted for sale at an achievable price, then one could "work" to save up for it. If something isn't posted for sale, then I guess you would have to please an existing owner so much that they would offer to sell you that rare. It's that "please an Internet stranger" part that has me squicked.]

I understand why someone who already has Item X would like to feel privileged to have that item. Part of that privilege might come from the knowledge that others simply could not obtain such an item. Those who have amassed large collections like Chicka are probably the most upset of all.
I will point out that the monetary value of an item that can be bought only from others is defined by selling price. It could be very difficult to value a collection that is not for sale.

its like whats the point in making collections?

1) Maybe it's just fun to collect.
2) Maybe you like knowing that you obtained items that others now cannot.
3) Maybe you see your collection as an investment vehicle that you will someday sell for "profit," and you're watching your investment value decline.

i dont think the people who put these things back in the game know how it feels to work hard for "collectables" then it turns out to be nothing later

Perhaps. Or perhaps some of the devs don't share your strong feelings. I gave more than one dev rares from the Halloween and Christmas 2010 quests, as thank you for their continuing hard work. They like collecting as much as anyone.

im sure the newbies love it, but its not fair to the older players in the game who have been here for years.

I don't feel threatened by others' ability to obtain cool items in the game. Then again, I've been playing for less than a year.

First of all of course your not going to feel it, you have only been here less then a year as you said, i have been on this game since 2009 and spent most of my time marketing to get these collectables which is mostly why im still lvl 82.

2nd of all how is it fun to collect when you spend all your time into something then 40 other people get it the next day for no work whatsoever, its like throwing it back in your face. you think you achieved something but a day later turns out you didnt.

You havent been spending 2 years marketing and saving up for rares frost so i dont expect you to understand the situation, or how most of us collectors feel for this matter.

they put the rare hats in the christmas quest, fine. but putting it in the easter quest as well? thats over doing it majorly.


Regards,

[mistergrey]

Frost, let me show one other slightly different point of view. I only seriously started playing this game about a year and a half ago. I thought I'd never get any of the cool rare hats, just like you said before. But then, it was also a pretty fun challenge, trying to get all these things that I wasn't around for, through trading. Like collecting Hints - I probably wouldn't want them nearly as much if they were used in every event quest lol. I was also happy the first time they rereleased a few old rares, since they hadn't been out in years, and I thought it was a cool way for newer people to get a few. To me though, doing two events like this, within a couple of months isn't putting them out there for new people - it's pretty much a concerted effort to make every rare item worthless. For myself, my collecting wasnt about the biggest one, or selling for profit - I was honestly proud I got all those things even when I wasn't around to get them.

To be honest, I'm almost surprised nobody's released more Golden plates, or Crowns, since the old valuable rares aside from the eyepatch are all pretty much done for now .

[Matt]

lol noobs

[yourmistakes]

"nice tophat, where did you get it?"
" . . uhh . . either christmas of 2008, christmas of 2010, or easter of 2011"
"you mean you don't know?"
"no, i'm just not sure which tophat this is"

[Jumpy]

hi there

this is just a game...

what happens here is an intempt to balance the game economy ?
what happens here makes the value of the cap skull helm and crown going up to impossible position to be bought?
what happens here makes prive drop down from 2kk to 50 k for a top hat that was one year ago 24 kk?
when a quest with hints? i don't ahve any
when a quest with scarab armlet, towel, platic fand bottles of sand, small and big clays,...?
where is the value of time spent to get an item ingame?

idea

why not when char creation is done give all hats in the storage of the char created and all items that are not dropable ?
why not just et rid of any gp issue in game?
a free game with everything free in it?

yes!

that is a good idea
just forget about gp and make it all free and available

i went in a serv in construction some weeks ago and there were 10 npc offering for free all items availabel on database
honestley that was fun
i spent hours going throught them, builiding my outfits then i started hanging around

oh in the same direction why not making the game without any level issues too ?

what happens now to rares is similar to what happened to unbalance game results in leveling before you needed fighting like 1 year and a half to 2 years to level to 99 now you can make it with fast level multiboxing automation in ? how much would you say?.... 3 months? muhahahaha

on those reflexion, thoughts, questions sometimes ironic sometimes very serious i'll go back to collect some reeds and seeds and have fun with a very good quest Tiana thought and created
i am just sorry reward is ... just another hat...

(pink floyd parody:
all in all it was another hat in the word
all in all it was another old hat in the word)

as if we lack in tmw of devs capable to make a .xml file or new designs... a pity ? a shame ? a lack of being able again to do things right ?...

things well done and doing well things are 2 different ways but compelmentary
when you do both
you can say you did hit the bulleye
for now
it is a 20/20 to Tiana and team for quest idea and quest in itself, you did well!
for reward... not understandable and inacceptable.

(look mummy there's an airplane high up in the sky )

Sincerely

have fun it is just a game

[mistergrey]

The part about this poll that makes me laugh, is that most of those that vote For rares being brought back often, are probably doing so thinking "more rares = more stuff I can sell/hoard for later"... When actually, the more often they release this stuff, the more common and unsellable it becomes.

Anyways, it probably doesn't matter, it's already done, and I somehow doubt us polling against this will really prevent this from happening again. I do understand the point Frost and Reid made, saying it's not as fun for players who sign in to find they can't get a certain item... but to be fair, it also sucks for everyone who sees one of the unique items they can never have, or new players who can't even afford to complete an event. Before, usually an event meant a prize you would only be able to get from said event, and after that you could either buy/trade off other players for it, or you'd get lucky and win one of Platyna's trivia events. I guess I just feel like the point of events being limited time is ruined if every event or two will release something from a previous event lol.

Anyways, the point wasn't to Female dog, wolf, fox or otter about this, just to point out that in this game, there are only really 2-3 goals after the limited questing is done. Level to 99, sit in town and talk to friends... and collect stuff. For myself, exclusivity is an important thing to keep people interested, and should everything become easily obtainable on a regular basis, it's like Chicka said - a lot of hard work goes wasted, and stuff like that will eventually reduce interest.

[Crush]

OK, so some of you don't want old rares in newer events. So what do you want instead?

Events without rewards or no events at all?