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make meway a gm?

Yes
12
25%
No
36
75%
 
Total votes: 48
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Meway

Post by o11c »

It is abundantly clear that there are not enough GMs to maintain a friendly playing environment.

Meway has been around over 2.5 years, long enough for the everybody to know him.
Meway has experience administering a public server.
Meway wants this position and has given as a significant reason that he is present during many time periods that have no GMs.

The only negative thing I might say is that meway has been pushy regarding this. But on meditation I determined that that is not significant reason to discount the possible benefits, and I have not seen any evidence that meway would step beyond the suitable boundaries for a GM.
Also, perhaps what this community needs is a pushy GM. I don't mean a GM that exceeds the boundaries, but one that is not afraid to enforce the rules strictly and propose needed changes to the rules.

Meway's response to the GM questionnaire
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Re: Meway

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For those concerned they may not be able to contact me in game, I have alts admittedly and you may contact me with Email:Mewaysid@yahoo.com Skype:Mewaysid Facebook:Andrew Hall IRC:#meway irc.freenode.net and sometimes on irc.themanaworld.org #tmw-support. If you vote no please tell me why.
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Re: Meway

Post by Chicka-Maria »

Sorry Meway you know i love ya and dont take it personally but i voted no...

I voted no for a variety of reasons.

1) Being a GM will take away your Dev time, and your a pixel artist which we need most right now. Being busy being a moderator i dont think you would have time to do both for developing takes a long time to do. I would rather you have more time to pixel then to moderate.

2) your already working on a seprate project, and you will most likley be working on that then spending all your time on the game.

3) I dont think people will want to contact you outside of the game on personal profiles to get something from you to be honest xD a moderators alot of responsibility not that you dont have it.

anyway good luck on the poll meway!
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Re: Meway

Post by meway »

Give me a week, your opinion is based on what you know, I respect that but I don't agree as I don't see this GM thing overwhelming me.
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Re: Meway

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hello, voted yes. i think you would make it good and also that such a tie would encourage your pixeling as well.

good luck
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Re: Meway

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5. Each poll has to be done according to the schema (yes has to be first option and no the second):
"Do you agree for person X to become a GM?"
"Yes."
"No."
19. State EXACT player name that clearly identify a person (in game or on forums - precise which one it is).
Mind the exact spelling.
I suggest closing.

ok on topic:
It is abundantly clear that there are not enough GMs to maintain a friendly playing environment.
I don't think so.
There is only a certain period of time which is not filled by gms.
And meway does not fit that gap.
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Re: Meway

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I do fit this gap.Its a strange thing that I don't see you online at the time when GM's are not available so I ask what are you basing this on? I sleep at 5am and wake at 12pm yes I live in the USA I have my own schedule because there is not a U.S standard that everyone seems to think there is. Unless there is of course 2 gaps but I did give sufficient outside of game resource to contact me with.

And I am unhappy with your post, I will tell you why. "I suggest closing" That is insulting. Thanks.
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Re: Meway

Post by Kurtz »

I vote yes of course.
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Re: Meway

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meway wrote:I do fit this gap.Its a strange thing that I don't see you online at the time when GM's are not available so I ask what are you basing this on? I sleep at 5am and wake at 12pm yes I live in the USA I have my own schedule because there is not a U.S standard that everyone seems to think there is. Unless there is of course 2 gaps but I did give sufficient outside of game resource to contact me with.

And I am unhappy with your post, I will tell you why. "I suggest closing" That is insulting. Thanks.
You see, just testing out how you react to rude players ;)
(And it seems to me you are getting in rage quite fast)
It was not meant as an insult, but the 21 rules are there to be followed right?

Let's have some statistics here:
All gms together are online at this schedule:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6520164/tmw/gms.txt
The . means there is no gm, the @ means there is at least one gm, blanks mean no data.
Times in the first line are in UTC+1 (-1 to servertime), each line is one day starting at midnight going 24 hours.

A huge gap can be seen from 0600 until 1400 UTC+1


And here is your online statistic:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6520164/tmw/meway.txt
The . means the player "Meway" is not online, the 1 means he is.
Blanks mean no data as well. Same timing as in the stats for gms.

Within the last 14 days it seems you fit in the gap. Before that you seem to have had a longer break.
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Re: Meway

Post by Reid »

I vote yes!!!
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Chicka-Maria wrote:Sorry Meway you know i love ya and dont take it personally but i voted no...

I voted no for a variety of reasons.

1) Being a GM will take away your Dev time, and your a pixel artist which we need most right now. Being busy being a moderator i dont think you would have time to do both for developing takes a long time to do. I would rather you have more time to pixel then to moderate.

2) your already working on a seprate project, and you will most likley be working on that then spending all your time on the game.

3) I dont think people will want to contact you outside of the game on personal profiles to get something from you to be honest xD a moderators alot of responsibility not that you dont have it.

anyway good luck on the poll meway!
I really wish people wouldn't vote 'no' for this sort of reason. The question is, "is meway suitable for a GM", not "is being a GM the best use of meway's time?" Let meway be the judge of meway's time.

Regarding 3, I don't see why that could count as a negative. It is merely a bonus that meway thinks will apply, meway will still be in-game much of the time.

A vote against meway is a vote for more spam, botting, and verbal abuse.
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Re: Meway

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I vote yes, because I know meway very well. He is experience with TMW both game wise and server wise. He already has advantage due past experience with tA. So of course I vote yes.

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Re: Meway

Post by Chicka-Maria »

o11c wrote:A vote against meway is a vote for more spam, botting, and verbal abuse.
I have more reasons but i do not wish to post them, it is also my opinion and i will not change it unless he proves other wise.

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Re: Meway

Post by Frost »

When I consider whether someone would be an effective GM, I look for several qualities. This goes beyond the official list of qualifications, and I present it only as an insight into why I voted no, not as an attempt to persuade others.

Fairness
I think Meway would be fair.

Well-intentioned
I think Meway would have the best of intentions.

Understands the rules
Meway seems to understand the rules.

Demonstrated leadership
I have not yet seen Meway demonstrate effective leadership here.

Ability to hear and consider opposing points of view
GMs have to make decisions based on incomplete, conflicting, and sometimes wrong information. Sometimes their chosen course of action looks ill-advised as new information appears. Any decision might be challenged (fairly or not) in these forums and in the game. Sometimes other GMs become involved in a situation, and they might disagree with the decisions of the first GM. From what I've seen, and my own experience in analogous situations, the GM role is heavy with uncertainty. To be effective in such a situation, one must be comfortable making decisions and quickly changing those decisions in the midst of such uncertainty.
Meway does not appear to me to be comfortable with that level of uncertainty. Also, once he reaches a decision or forms an opinion, he seems to defend that position against other ideas instead of using the new information to re-evaluate his position. This style is effective for many things, but I believe it would make it difficult for Meway to function in a GM role.

Ability to calmly disregard idiots and jerks (aka "illegitimi non carborundum")
Some people are just troubled and choose to take it out on others here. GMs take the brunt of that, both in the game and in these forums. I know from personal experience that if malcontents can disrupt your emotional balance, you become a target and are miserable. This is a critical skill for surviving rough-and-tumble situations like this, and it can take years to acquire.
Meway sometimes takes even constructive criticism as a personal attack. I believe that he and others would struggle with this challenge if he became a GM.

In summary, I think that Meway is presently a poor fit with the duties of a GM, and the duties of a GM are presently a poor fit with Meway. I don't think he is any less a fine person because of this.


"A vote against meway is a vote for more spam, botting, and verbal abuse."
This is inaccurate and inappropriate. The corollary to such a statement would be that those who vote against meway consider "more spam, botting, and verbal abuse" preferable to him as a GM. Both are grossly unfair.

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Re: Meway

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argul wrote:
meway wrote:I do fit this gap.Its a strange thing that I don't see you online at the time when GM's are not available so I ask what are you basing this on? I sleep at 5am and wake at 12pm yes I live in the USA I have my own schedule because there is not a U.S standard that everyone seems to think there is. Unless there is of course 2 gaps but I did give sufficient outside of game resource to contact me with.

And I am unhappy with your post, I will tell you why. "I suggest closing" That is insulting. Thanks.
You see, just testing out how you react to rude players ;)
(And it seems to me you are getting in rage quite fast)
It was not meant as an insult, but the 21 rules are there to be followed right?

Let's have some statistics here:
All gms together are online at this schedule:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6520164/tmw/gms.txt
The . means there is no gm, the @ means there is at least one gm, blanks mean no data.
Times in the first line are in UTC+1 (-1 to servertime), each line is one day starting at midnight going 24 hours.

A huge gap can be seen from 0600 until 1400 UTC+1


And here is your online statistic:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6520164/tmw/meway.txt
The . means the player "Meway" is not online, the 1 means he is.
Blanks mean no data as well. Same timing as in the stats for gms.

Within the last 14 days it seems you fit in the gap. Before that you seem to have had a longer break.
Would you rather have a gm thats straight forward with you or one that will eventually have a problem with you later? Ty for your statistics, as that makes sense to be calculated as my time available. I gave people the ability to contact me outside of game in the case I am not available. Today I was offline a bit. I will try to work on these things and take "constructive criticism" more lightly, I have gotten better with this IMO. I thank Crush and enchilado for this and looking back I appreciate them for it. I try to be blunt and to the point, I will work around something to get the answers I need in order to operate not always appropriately but effectively. But I understand that being appropriate is important and I will work on this.
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