is it also forbidden to attack the same mobs as another char

[galimatia]

Tiana came and said we were playing on follow ; i showed her we were not; both chars moving independently sometimes meeting to attack the same mob or heal each other; she said we were when she arrived, told us she didn't want to argue and next time we will be banned!!!! She disappeared .......

I would be happy to know what we can still do on tmw and if a GM can pretend we are on follow and threaten of ban two chars who are not?

[argul]

galimatia and dayve can be banned for no reason at anytime

[Tiana]

I took no action because I did not observe the 2 players in question long enough before appearing. What I did see before becoming visible appeared to be following, but I realized I did not observe long enough. I issued a warning based on what I did see, they wanted to argue this.

It is true that both chars moved apart when I appeared though.

[Reid]

How do you know if these players were using following or not?

[prsm]

Well I guess we can never be 100% sure of anything.

But when 2 people move in tandem for over 60 secs, it does look suspicious, and draws attention.

[mistergrey]

I take this in context; if 2 or more players are attacking the same monster/s within a tile's space, I don't assume they are following until I see both (or more) characters move in tandem to the next target that is not next to them. This can be very time consuming when the players in question are attacking monsters with a lot of hp, but there is always the option to "kick" a monster - something I don't like to do often, but when it's to clarify something like this it seems like the lesser of evils to me.

I would be happy to know what we can still do on tmw and if a GM can pretend we are on follow and threaten of ban two chars who are not?

A GM is chosen as someone the community trusts to enforce and uphold the rules, and I highly doubt any of the GM team would pretend anything to threaten you (or other players) or ban you unjustly. For one thing, we do question each other on some of our punishments and reactions, it helps keep us fair. If it were as simple as GMs covering each other to get any players we don't like banned, I think those players would already all be gone - and believe me, that is hardly the case. Personally, I take the precautions I described above before I am convinced someone is using follow, so at that point it would hardly be pretending.

I am not saying Tiana did wrong here - this has been a warning period about the follow feature, and it's better to warn about it now, even if it turns out the players are not following. The GMs, like the players, are still getting used to this change, and we're trying to adjust to it as well as we can - not threaten anybody for kicks.

[Nard]

The only way i see to know that players use follow instead of auto-attack (for example) would be to have a tool that allows a GM to take control of the characters displacements and move the supposed leader.
GMs must have the tools to apply the rule without making a mistake, or the result will be a trust loss in them.
We already begin to see that this new way of botting determination will only change botters behaviour: some of them moved to Nivalis and do static stack botting instead. The result will be more difficulties to get tears instead of zombie drops.

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[DefinitelyNOTMrWho]

Let me tell you about the latest retarded thing i came across.
While cruising in the ice caves as a speed archer i came across 2 warrior noobs killing yetis so i said to myself :"what a great opportunity for me to kill yetis with these noobs here, i can kill and not get hurt". And I started attacking the yetis that the warrior noobs were also attacking.
At one moment in time, one of the noobs said to me:" If you attack the same target that I attack, I'll tell that to the GM and get you banned because it is considered harassment".

So at that moment I stopped for 1 second and contemplated: "Could this be true? If they made a retarded rule about following, they sure can make another retarded rule which would say that attacking other peoples monsters is harassment" but after 2 seconds of thinking about it I said to myself: "Hey wtf, I've been banned and abused by the GMs about 50 times for more dumb reasons than this one, what's another ban gonna count for?" And I continued attacking their targets until I got bored and left.

Can somebody who can write his forum nickname with more than one letter please tell me if there is a rule like the one I described?

[Platyna]

There is no rule forbidding following other players. There is a rule preventing to annoy players and to use automation to gain advantage over other players which is unfair. If a GM suspects botting, s/he is supposed to execute a standard botcheck on each char.

Also it is not forbidden to attack the same mob as another char, it is even encouraged to play in teams (of living people), this question is completely pointless as there are and there were no rule forbidding it. Common sense is a rule of all rules, appliance of the rules could be some way automated I would get rid of GMs and introduce rules-enforcing bots.


Regards.