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Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Crush » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:37 pm

As you might have noticed there is a TMW fork called Aethyra (formerly The Mana Experiment) which created some new content.

What do you think about backporting some of their content?

I took a quick look at it. These are the changes I found and my opinions about them:

NPC Database:
The Aethyra guys are using the new NPC system, which allows to combine NPCs from other sprites, to replace the NPCs which don't really fit the style of the playerset with sprites combined from the playerset and different recolored equipment and hair sprites. I think this is a quite good idea in most cases. We should think about adopting their NPC database at least partially. The only problem I see is that some NPCs are now easily mistaken for player characters.

New maps:
They also made a few new maps. I am against using them because I would prefer when we from the TMW team retain full control over the world development by directly planning and coordinating any mapping initiatives.

New NPC scripts:
Because Hurnscald is the new starting location on Aethyra most Tulimshar NPCs have been transefred there. I consider this a quite bad idea when we keep Tulimshar as a starting location because I see no reason to have everything but a kitchen sink in every single town.

New monsters:
Aethyra is using recolorations of existing monsters excessively. Too excessively, in my opinion (mushrooms in the desert??). There is also the plant monster from Evol Online (whichs copyright status is still unclear to me) and a strange recolorisation of the fire goblin which is supposed to be a water goblin (looks quite fucked up, IMO). Not much to recycle here.

New equipment:
There are some interesting headgears, but some are quite redundant to me or would never pass our quality standards. There is also the savior plate from another TMW fork which is used regardless of the missing female version. Nevertheless there are a few items which could be considered.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by ElvenProgrammer » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:17 pm

After your summary my opinion is that we should only backport the items that are worth
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Rotonen » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:08 pm

Well, if they are going to have scripts for proper quests and especially linked quests, of course we should use them.

Same goes for proper items.

Most importantly of all we should get the newer eAthena from them. I have been working a bit with jaxad on getting it to run with MySQL support. This would potentially allow us to even use some of the web control panels for eAthena.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Angeliex » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:11 pm

I would like to ask that none of my graphical content be used. I would hope that someone will honor that statement.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Crush » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:35 pm

Angeliex wrote:I would like to ask that none of my graphical content be used. I would hope that someone will honor that statement.
According to your copyright notice Aethyra is licensed under the GNU General Public License. When it contains any content which is licensed under other licenses please specify these files and what copyright terms apply to them.

When doing so keep in mind that any derived works of TMW artworks (graphics based on original TMW graphics) must be released under the GNU GPL or you are committing a copyright violation.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Angeliex » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:40 pm

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by i » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:44 pm

Angeliex wrote:I would like to ask that none of my graphical content be used. I would hope that someone will honor that statement.
So according to that some graphical content is under other licence than GPL? Otherwise we have full right to not honour that statement. In the same way you get our base files.

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by GonzoDark » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:48 pm

Yes, you do have your full right not to honor that statement.. But he asked you nicely not to use his stuff/changes whatever. So please let us (aethyra) be unique from tmw.

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Post by i » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:52 pm

GonzoDark wrote:Yes, you do have your full right not to honor that statement.. But he asked you nicely not to use his stuff/changes whatever. So please let us (aethyra) be unique from tmw.

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Oh! I see...
Angeliex could you be so nice and do NOT use any of my graphic work for TMW? Yea I know that you got full right to use that, it's GPL. But you must understand that I ask you so nicely...

This situation IMO is clear. Angeliex you HAVE TO define licence of that content.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Crush » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:54 pm

Could you please specify which of your files are released under which copyright terms?

The only copyright information I can find in any of your works is the GNU General Public License which explicitely allows us to use and modify your work as long as we offer the same right to everyone else.
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Angeliex » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:55 pm

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Post by i » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:58 pm

Angeliex wrote:All non tmw based graphics created by me are not public domain.
Specify the licence ;) Add it to wiki, and distribute separately from GPL part then.
Aethyra Wiki wrote: Please note that all documents on the Aethyra Wiki are released under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL), while all content, including games files, graphics, code, artwork, and other related materials, are released under the GNU General Public License (GPL).
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by Crush » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:59 pm

TMW has never been public domain either. It is licensed under the GNU General Public License. This is a big difference - it forces anyone who creates work based on our content to release it under the same terms.

Could you please be a bit more specific and create an explicite list of the files you are claiming a copyright on?
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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by fate » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:12 pm

Hi,

out of curiousity: Angeliex, may I ask precisely why you would prefer it if your tme artwork were not to be used in tmw?

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Re: Usable TME/Aethyra content?

Post by i » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:15 pm

fate wrote:Hi,
out of curiousity: Angeliex, may I ask precisely why you would prefer it if your tme artwork were not to be used in tmw?
BTW, according to theirs wiki, they already licence that under GPL. Is it possible to change licence from GPL to any other uncompatible one?
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